Dagger WS question...

[Gman]

Got a question about the 150 and 175 skills Engery steal and Energy Drain. If you highlight them on the menu for weaponskills, the help text gives you the desription of what each WS does. For energy drain/steal, it has the same description "Steals MP from the target, amount of MP determined by TP, blah, blah..."

Ok, so 1) is it just a glitch? I though one was supposed to give back HP, and 2) which one is which? I remember getting the 150 skill one, and it only draining MP (from enemies that have mp) so I thought the 175 skill one would be the HP one, but it seemed to not give me back HP either, unless I just chose wrong one by accident...

<-- confused

Any input on this?

[Archain]

They both steal MP from your enemy, but I believe the stats that are used to determine the drain amount are different.

I think Energy Steal uses MND as it's modifier and Energy Drain uses INT as it's modifier. TP% has a pretty large inpact on how much is stolen from the enemy.

While testing these weaponskills a PLD friend of mine was always able to drain more than I was with a 300%TP Energy Steal (used to ensure we had consistant TP levels).

When it came to Energy Drain though, I could steal more than him at 300%TP. I think I could cap out at around 130MP drains from elementals (I'm not built for INT though). I've tested with BRD songs and I steal several MP more per drain with an INT up song on me.

I'm wondering how a high INT job like a Taru BLM would change the drain amount. The ability to use Energy Drain would require THF,RDM,BRD,RNG,NIN as a subjob to unlock the WS for use.

[guyincorporated]

My understanding was that the 175 weaponskill was more powerful, and more exclusive. Like burning blade/red lotus blade, or shining strike/seraph strike.

For what it is worth, I found that at 300 tp, I drained back about 110 MP with the 175 skill. (I can never keep their names straight).

[Gman]

Oh

Thanks for the answers. I thought one of them stole back HP like a "drain" effect. How utterly disappointing that they would make 2 identical weaponskills back to back, only difference being which attribute affects them. Considering the next 2 levels are useless to me (Dancing Edge and Shark Bite) as RDM, I'll have to wait till Eviceration to get another good Dagger WS.

Bah, back to Cyclone I guess, with Energy steal/drain usefull for Elementals. At least Cyclone does really good dmg.

[guyincorporated]

Originally posted by Gman
Oh

Thanks for the answers. I thought one of them stole back HP like a "drain" effect. How utterly disappointing that they would make 2 identical weaponskills back to back, only difference being which attribute affects them. Considering the next 2 levels are useless to me (Dancing Edge and Shark Bite) as RDM, I'll have to wait till Eviceration to get another good Dagger WS.

Bah, back to Cyclone I guess, with Energy steal/drain usefull for Elementals. At least Cyclone does really good dmg.

Rdm has the same skill rating in swords and daggers, why stick with these awful weapons unless you're forced to (thief)? Get yourself a big honkin' sword and start doing vorpal blades.

[Gman]

Originally posted by guyincorporated
Rdm has the same skill rating in swords and daggers, why stick with these awful weapons unless you're forced to (thief)? Get yourself a big honkin' sword and start doing vorpal blades.

2 Reasons:

1) I have Hornetneedle (need I say more?) Ok, I will.. with haste, I cant even count to 1 between swings. I love this dagger, despite the low dmg. It attacks so fast I feel like a Taru on crack, using 100 fists >.>

2) I want to be proficient in both weapons, and right now Dagger is lagging behind at only 175 skill, while my sword is 202. Also, I cant use Vorpal Blade without WAR/DRK/PLD sub on my rdm. It's an ex skill. Cyclone at 150 TP does more damage than I could dream of doing with any sword WS so far except 300tp Spririts within (and Vorpal). AND it hits multiple targets. I could kill half of Pashlow with 1 WS.