Who is NOT a THF/NIN?

[Breyden]

Re: Who is NOT a THF/NIN?

umm... i m a taru thf and i plan on taking it all the way but you guys have a shitload more health than i do with ur race and u are still dieng from pulling so will be being a taru be a problem in the higher lvls? like no invites and constantly dieing and low low damage?

[ibroyles]

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Being a Taru THf your low HP will really be no big deal at all. Basically you'll have to be careful on the pull, use ranged attack from maximum distance, many times you wont get hit a single time unless your tank isn't provoking it off you quick enough. Once you get higher level(60+) and start taking mobs which run very fast(Toramas, Demons, Raptors) it will be difficult, but I dont imagine its much different than pulling as any other race. Note, on a "good pull" even the fastest mobs wont hit you at all. Just get accustomed to pulling properly at low level and it will make it much easier when you have to fight faster moving mobs.

As for your damage, Taru THF should do fine imo. THF already have fairly low STR rating, and their damage isn't very reliant on STR until high level. Since THF has a low STR rating to begin with, the difference in Elvaan/Galka and Taru STR won't make much difference at all. Also, Tarus have decent DEX and massive AGI to help with their damage. In the end, Taru is a fine choice for THF, as is any other race imo.

[aegina]

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i'm a thf/nin, but after 60 i plan to play around with thf/sam a little bit. anyone ever tried it? how well does it work?

[Tokitoki]

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Lets just say I've out TPd a THF/SAM in exp and I actually kept up with a SAM using Soboro a few times on THF/NIN o.o

I have SAM lvld but I dont think Id ever use it for exp unless i was specifically asked to.

[ibroyles]

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Main problem I see w/SAM sub is its really not that hard to get TP within 60 seconds with NIN sub. I'd assume its similarly easy with WAR sub although I haven't had mine leveled in a while(I know, bad. Honestly /war is not really my style but I'm still working on getting it up there just to have it. Might change my mind after trying it out again I suppose.) Now with getting TP every 60 seconds like that, having meditate to charge up TP again won't really mean much without SATA ready. Sure you could possible split up SA+WS, TA+WS, but most mobs don't last too long past the 1st skillchain in XP at 75 anyways. Hell, I find myself not even init-SATA'ing anymore just so I can save my abilities for the skillchain. BAM skillchain. MB. dead. next.

All in all, I think it would be a fun sub to play around with, and I'd like to try it some day. Probably be more effective in a spam-ws party which there is no SC, maybe a high-merit party. But I couldn't see myself switching to it competely just because it doesn't seem much more efficent than any other possible sub. Now for HNMs I think SAM is a pretty viable choice, considering dual-wield/double attack do little to help your TP when you're just hitting for 0 most times.

[Tokitoki]

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Wouldnt want it in a merit PT either. You'll be meriting in Lufaise with greater birds that will tear you apart cause they run fast or weapons in sky/moon with aoe... Only place I'd see it really working would be Ulg w/e range but ive never expd there so i dont know.

[ibroyles]

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True I usually favor NIN sub for merit parties because of that alone. However, its no big deal if there's no skillchain to get interrupted by whirl. Monks put up w/it, I can too if its just a spam fest, kill em as quick as possible sort of thing.

[Tokitoki]

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Its not about the stun, when they like to spam it you use a lot of the WHMs MP

[ibroyles]

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Well it is a LITTLE bit about the stun too, getting stunned when you're closing the SC is definitely an issue. I will also say that's true, its not as efficient to be taking damage from every AoE. But honestly most WHMs don't have problems keeping up with curing at this level. They get back MP so quickly and are so efficient with respect to MP used/amount cured(cure potency + % gear) that it really becomes a non issue. Hell, with capped evasion I have a habit of evading a lot of whirls anyways. Ask any MNK who XPs merit in sky(and trust me there's some that do) and they will tell you their parties get by fine without them subbing NIN. I still would prefer /NIN over /SAM sub though for reasons priorly mentioned. Just playing the role of devil's advocate here.

[Takemura-san]

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went to Vrta fight as thf/sam the alliance lasted 20mins i was last to die pinged 534 damage^^ then died i wish 2hr lasted longer -.- we left it at 2/3hp 6 de lvs v.v

[Tokitoki]

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MNks have a lot of HP and they have Chakra to help heal themselves every once in a while.

When you're going constant chain 5-6s your WHMs do tend to get low on MP even at that lvl. They dont get much time to rest and if you dont have the best tank or a MP sink melee *coughSELRBerserkDRKcough* they tend to use MP fast.

[Eauijhkuu]

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...I've always wanted THF/NIN when I first started playing THF. And I'm very pleased with the results. The only thing I miss totally about THF/WAR was the mega boost in DoT that I used to get from berserk. And it seemed that Berserk also boosted SATA's cap range as well, which I loved greatly. Only thing that I actually used with THF/MNK was when I needed to fight skeletons or something that was weak to blunt objects. THF/RNG is a solo thing for me, and I highly doubt I would go into a PT with it.

THF/NIN, however, is the only DD you can sub with THF and not suffer mega penalties. Our delay rate doesn't seem to decrease any with dual weileded weapons (Ninjas migt begin to attack more rapidly once they have Dual Wield III or IV). Utsusesmi is awesome, which just compliments our already perfect evasion. It's idealy a good sub for us solo and un-soloed.

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umm... i m a taru thf and i plan on taking it all the way but you guys have a shitload more health than i do with ur race and u are still dieng from pulling so will be being a taru be a problem in the higher lvls? like no invites and constantly dieing and low low damage?

Taru's probably good for THF because of their AGI and DEX (Unlike My galka who's horrible in AGI). Your SATA will be very nice if you wear gear that complements AGI and DEX. You can consider the HP+ gear that will allow you to overcome that kind of hurdle. Or you can boost your AGI as to help your evasion so that you won't take so many hits. Choice is yours, really.

But no. I don't see you having many problems getting a Party. Other than you're a Thief. =P

[Khidir]

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Dex becomes more important hi lvs since you want to get tp fast for sata and dex plays a factor in sata's dd and ive been asked some times by thfs to haste them so they can spam sata as fast as possible and that is those with nin subs

[Tokitoki]

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ive been asked some times by thfs to haste them so they can spam sata as fast as possible and that is those with nin subs

By this i assume you mean so they can gain TP faster for the SC because Job ability timers are not affected by haste. THF should gain TP faster than most DDs anyway, the haste does help but it's better suited for a high delay waepon user, such as DRK or DRG.

[Khidir]

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Okay sentences you read this wrong btw=P



I was in a pt with a Thf/nin Rng/nin War/nin rdm/smn smn/whm and cant remember the last person but the ranger was spewing hate from his ass like crazy.

He kept moving the mob so maybe that was it but you know i really dont know and i was talking.

And about for tp as well as sata since it seems to come back very fast at a point where teh thf could viperbite sata twice on a mob with haste than a viperbite sata once and a sata without ws skill but it seemed effective since it was on an average of 600+ from the combined satas.

basically by the time he had sata back he could perform another ws because of haste affecting his tp gain not his ja's