did anyone else read patch notes/

[navpops]

June 29 2004

. The job ability "Sneak Attack" can now deal critical damage to an enemy from any direction when used in conjunciton wth the job ability "Hide."


? ? ?

i guess 45+ you can do a fuidama every 5 mins?

[Cloak]

I think this just means you can...

/ja "Sneak Attack" <me>
/wait 1
/ja "Hide" <me>
/wait 1
/ja "Trick Attack" <me>

...then Fuidama behind anybody fighting the mob.

Just a thought

[navpops]

yes, which makes it pretty cool

[guyincorporated]

SWEEEEEEEEEET!

[Alontier]

You can now land a Sneak Attack succesfully from any direction after a successfull Hide.

The restrictions for Trick Attack ( mob < tank < thf) is still there.

So it isn't exactly Yokodama as you still have to stand behind your trick partner.

[John Doe III]

Originally posted by Cloak
I think this just means you can...

/ja "Sneak Attack" <me>
/wait 1
/ja "Hide" <me>
/wait 1
/ja "Trick Attack" <me>

...then Fuidama behind anybody fighting the mob.

Just a thought

Sneak and Trick before Hide.

[gh32]

Yup. If you use SA or TA after hide, it'll cancel the hide effect.

[Balgas]

The only way I can see this being useful though is if you are partying with only 1 tank or if for some reason the secondary tank loses aggro and the main tank has to provoke.

[ibroyles]

It could be useful other than that. It means that if you have hide+SATA ready you can use that even without setting up in the normal fuidama position. So, say you are about to skillchain, you can initiate SATA+hide then just in case the monster doesn't turn when the secondary tank does their WS, your SATA+hide+WS would still connect doing the same damage, while still adding to the hate of the main tank. Seems, pretty useful to me. It will probably differ from party to party how this new feature is actually used. Like you could also just throw in a SATA+hide whenever the recast timer is up just for the hell of it and extra damage.

I think this is an interesting idea on how to make THFs more useful. After all, the old tactic of just being about to SATA without actually being behind the mob didn't make much sense. When you are "hiding" it makes sense that you could still get a sneak attack off. It does suck that Hide has a 5 minute timer though, and not at least something like 2 minutes so you could do it more often.

EDIT: Too bad AF increases Hide duration instead of decreasing the recast time.

[John Doe III]

Ask I just found out tonight, this does NOT work in back of a tank after already hitting the Mob. I've tried like 5 times and it didn't do it.

[ibroyles]

Originally posted by John Doe III
Ask I just found out tonight, this does NOT work in back of a tank after already hitting the Mob. I've tried like 5 times and it didn't do it.

So you mean if you activate Hide, then hit the mob, then try to do SA it will fail? So in other words you have to initiate SA then Hide then hit the mob? Or do you mean if you have already hit the mob at any point in time this "Hide" trick will no longer work, it only works at the start of battle? Thanks ahead of time.

[Narru]

I'd like to report that the SA+TA+Hide works

1) It only works on sight aggro mobs ( haven't personally tried it on sound aggro mobs, but had a thf friend try it report back to me - doesn't work ).

2) What you need to do is disengage autoattack. SA, TA, Hide, get behind the tank (who is holding the hate ). Then start autoattacking again. Hmm, now that I think about it, didn't try to initiate this part with a WS - gonna try this later.

3) If at any point you loose Hide before the hit lands, it failed. That's why sound aggro mobs would fail on this trick.

What does this mean? You can do initial fuidama off main tank, then 30-45 seconds later you can "hidedama" (? lol) off the main tank again rather on your fuidama buddy. Of course, this only works every 5 minutes.

I like it. Not a fully implemented version of yokodama, but we can do it once every 5 minutes (every other fight) - balanced. ^^

[John Doe III]

Originally posted by Narru
I'd like to report that the SA+TA+Hide works

1) It only works on sight aggro mobs ( haven't personally tried it on sound aggro mobs, but had a thf friend try it report back to me - doesn't work ).

I try it on sound every time I farm and yes it does work. I doesn't lose hate, sneak - hide --> WS is all i've tried becuase of the slowness of sneak +hide atk afterwards.

2) What you need to do is disengage autoattack. SA, TA, Hide, get behind the tank (who is holding the hate ). Then start autoattacking again. Hmm, now that I think about it, didn't try to initiate this part with a WS - gonna try this later.

I tried this new "thing" for Thief about 6 times last night (Too less cuz of waste of time for PT and chaining). Anyways first was sneak and trick onto PLD from Cactuar. Nothing. Followed by "that's gay". Then eventually I did try sneak and trick onto pld again with hide and for some reason trick only worked and it did 111 damage.

3) If at any point you loose Hide before the hit lands, it failed. That's why sound aggro mobs would fail on this trick.

What does this mean? You can do initial fuidama off main tank, then 30-45 seconds later you can "hidedama" (? lol) off the main tank again rather on your fuidama buddy. Of course, this only works every 5 minutes.

Eh....If you lose hide the whole Sneak + Trick doesn't work Narru. Becuase of the new patch you have to be in Hide mode to actually activate it.

Tried to quote best i can..-_-.