Saying no to burns?

[Canitoch]

Well first off I used to be a level 75 smn, and back then smn burning wasn't popular, if it even existed as a means of exping. I quit and restarted and now am a 45 smn..

Well here is my issue or whatever: Now that smn burning seems to be popular now, I get asked by a lot of people if I want to smn burn in Korr. Tunnel. I've burned once..defiently fast exp, but I wasn't into it (and very laggy lol). So I usually turn down any invites that ask me if I want to burn.

Is smn burning the only way for us low level summoners to exp now? I get asked if I want to exp in a normal party, but I defiently get asked more to burn. Should I suck it up and just burn or wait for a normal pt/make my own parties? Is burning the only way now?

[Takelli]

Re: Saying no to burns?

Its actually a bit hard to get a real party as a summoner. Summoners can solo fairly well now with the FoV and all the refresh items. It may be a bit slow, but you can do it.

[Aksannyi]

Re: Saying no to burns?

Just to clarify, it was never easy to get a party as a SMN, as far as I'm aware, unless you want to be pigeonholed into main healing, and even then, people would invite a WHM, RDM, or SCH before they'd take a SMN. I leveled the hard way from 1-37, but burned the rest of the way to 75 and never looked back.

Keep in mind I never really cared or wanted to level SMN, just kind of defaulted to leveling it with my friends because they needed another SMN, and I used it as a vehicle for quick merits. As such, I never really worried about Summoning skill and I didn't really use it too much at endgame. It was just a job I had, and I wouldn't have leveled it to 75 otherwise.

If you're serious about it, though, taking it to 75 the usual way is a bit harder, but definitely doable. There is always soloing, FoV, campaign, and of course, xp parties. But no, you do not have to burn your way to 75 if you don't want to.

[MrMageo]

Re: Saying no to burns?

Also if you are serious about SMN the going the "proper" way will teach you more about your job and give you skills (not summoning skill I mean player skill) that spamming shiva and ramuh won't. Hard to get parties yes, but from my experience people who burn all the way to 75(80) have no idea what to do on the job they burned on. In fact if it is not a player I know personally, It is one of the criteria I ask of people when inviting them. If it came down to a RDM/WHM or a SMN/WHM for the healer spot in my party and the RDM was a product of a SMN burn, and the SMN did the grind, id take the SMN, because that SMN has way more practical experience in a party situation than the RDM, even if the RDM is generally better suited for the job.

I don't play to hold peoples hands and if you have no party experience on a job and expect to get in an event or party with me, then you are out of luck.

[Malacite]

Re: Saying no to burns?

You have to be out of your mind to turn down 40~60k EXP inside 20 minutes...

You can always skill up whenever, take the burn invites >.>

[EternalMalachi]

Re: Saying no to burns?

You can always skill up whenever, take the burn invites >.>

/agree

[cidbahamut]

Re: Saying no to burns?

Do you enjoy Summoner burns? No? Then don't do them.

Go with what you find fun and rewarding.

[Malacite]

Re: Saying no to burns?

Go with what you find fun and rewarding.

lol what's not fun about blowing up an entire zone of mobs with your 2 hour?

[Aksannyi]

Re: Saying no to burns?

Lagging to the point where you can't do anything.

[Malacite]

Re: Saying no to burns?

Fair enough.

[Shirai]

Re: Saying no to burns?

If the lag is the only thing that keeps you from summoner burning then you might want to consider lowering a your settings a little.
Another thing you can do is keep tabs on the target mob you use astral flow on, go into first person mode and look away from the horde of mobs that is about to be blown to pieces.

Turning down a good chunk of exp on a job that hardly gets invited to parties as it is already is a foolish thing to do in my humble opinion.
But it's up to you.

[Feba]

Re: Saying no to burns?

I could write a long, reasoned post explaining my opinion on this matter.

or

[ShepardG]

Re: Saying no to burns?

yeah, Burn it, exp parties move to fast for a smn anyway, once you hit 60 ish, and get Diabolos you can get xarcabard (S) parties, but until then your just not going to get invited. SE saw this happening, one reason they never Nerfed Koroloka Tunnel in the first place. Also you can burn: Maze of Shakrami, Ordelle's Cave, Yutunga Jungle if koroloka is taken or you can't find a sync.

I love smn's but even at 80 I can't see inviting one /whm to heal a party at that level, and definetly not to DD when the mob is going to be dead arguably before you can get off a single Bloodpact.

[Takelli]

Re: Saying no to burns?

Just wish SE woudl fix Summoner and change its abilities some. Make it a bit more like BST, and change the monsters resistances so that if you use a Fenrir against a guy thats weak against darkness, make it actually have a stronger affect against the creature.

And change the bloodpact timers. Or, have the summoner have complete control over the summon and have it kinda like BLM, where you control what spells the summon casts. Such as you get a list of level appropirate spells, and the summoner can choose which spell they wish to cast. Also, have the summon have a mp pool instead of it draining summoners pool. Even give the summons their own spells that BLMs don't have.

Just my two cents.

[Shirai]

Re: Saying no to burns?

Well, the reason SE never nerved astralburning is because it requires a 2 hour ability that works as it was intended.
Also, unlike what them little butthurt haters want to make you believe, it's not like a summoner can just walk into Korroloka, pop Astral flow and walk out with 50k exp.

There's a lot of preparation needed before you can succesfully summoner burn.
Even the most experienced groups take about 20 minutes to pull the entire tunnel and usually only half of the mobs is dead after everyone's astral flow wears off.
Most parties usually keep throwing thundersparks until the last mob dies, which can take up to another 30 minutes.
(There's one exception where a group I leeched Scholar from 12 to 25 from that had mules standing by with the sole purpose of burning.)
If you look at it from an exp per hour perspective depending on your Wild Card luck and finding a competent level sync it isn't even THAT much faster then a normal merit party.

So coming back to my humble opinion;
If lag is the only reason to turn down summoner burning, try finding out ways to reduce the lag by lowering your settings or not facing the huge pile of mobs.
(That's what I did, just target the mob we used as Astral Flow target and stand with my face against the wall behind the tank in first person mode.)
Turning down an invite that will get you exp faster then remaining flagged up soloing FoV or Campaign hoping a party will take you in as their surrogate healer is a stupid thing to do.