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  • #76
    Re: And once again.... NO Avatar!

    Originally posted by Armando View Post
    And Sic is on a 2-minute timer anyways, which is about twice as long as it should take someone with good hit rate to hit 100 TP.
    All the more reason to reduce the timer even further beyond merits so they can spam just like the rest of us.

    Weather Effects? Come take a nice close look at my Grimorie for a second. Closer, closer. WHAM! Stay away from my SCH abilities, thank you. Oh and passing out AoE Stat buffs would be mega-fail. One word: Fenrir. He already does it. That and SCH has to merit for the right to +7 your stats.
    HAY FUCK YOU, YOU STOLE MY AOE -NA SPELLS. GTFOff my toes! BITCH!
    The ability to AoE status removals was certainly a reason for WHM to receieve the update that they did. (by the way, yes, I know you were being rather tongue in cheek, but I feel like talking about SCH "taking jerbs" anyway) But in general, I still find claims by other jobs that SCH somehow "stole" their roles to be dubious on several levels.

    Back when Diabolos was first introduced, RDMs QQ'd that there was now means for other jobs to get Phalanx. And now they're QQing about how SCH can give it to people. But as Karinya said about Frost Armor, when do you ever really need 6 people to have Phalanx? At worst, you can look at Accession Phalanx and realize what a gross waste of a resource that was when you could've used it for something that will actually benefit more than one person. If nothing else, they just complained it was stealing something from the job's identity (...on principle in other words), which is a peculiar claim coming from a job that basically has it in its job description that it takes from other jobs.

    WHM may have a little more of a legitimate reason to feel encroached upon by SCH, but certainly BLM does not. SCH is never called upon to be a main healer, except in manaburning situations. And whenever it is, it is more likely because of the SCH's lack of 75 BLM. SCH is demonstrated to possibility outdamage a BLM in one situation, where a fight drags on for an unusually long amount of time, something that doesn't happen when your LS has 4 BLMs for every 1 of your other jobs. Once you factor in things like Stun or reliable crowd control, things that are among the reasons BLM is so popular in the endgame scene, BLM really differentiates from SCH.

    As for SMN, I'm still not sure what SMNs are getting at when they claim the job that can do their job better. SCH can AoE Enspell sure, but it's not like that was ever one of SMN's signiture abilities, especially in an EXP setting where it's more likely done just to offset the fact SCH does not have Haste. SCH can AoE Stoneskin, but if that's what the gripes are about, another job already beat SCH to "stealing" that: BLU.

    When I'm called upon to be a SCH, the tasks I am assigned to do are so markedly different from the other mages, I really wonder exactly whose job I'm supposed to be stealing.
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    • #77
      Re: And once again.... NO Avatar!

      Originally posted by Karinya View Post
      Why are some people so obsessed with avatar melee? Do you just like staring at Titan's ass? Autoattack is boring and it really isn't any more exciting when an avatar does it than when you do it yourself.
      You don't see the problem with summoning an elemental God for only a brief moment for a sub-par ability, or to see it flail helplessly against an enemy doing less damage than your skinny ass would with a staff?
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      • #78
        Re: And once again.... NO Avatar!

        Originally posted by Malacite View Post
        You don't see the problem with summoning an elemental God for only a brief moment for a sub-par ability, or to see it flail helplessly against an enemy doing less damage than your skinny ass would with a staff?
        You don't summon the avatar itself. The avatar itself is the thing in the crystal in each proto-crystal. In fact, when you battle them, you're still only fighting a projection of the summon, hence the "Prime" at the end of the name. SMNs don't actually summon the avatar itself, they summon a representation of it. That's why you can have multiple SMNs calling the same avatar.
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        • #79
          Re: And once again.... NO Avatar!

          I now wonder if SE is holding this avatars to keep people just wondering and are actualy never going to release them

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          • #80
            Re: And once again.... NO Avatar!

            Originally posted by Darkhound View Post
            I now wonder if SE is holding this avatars to keep people just wondering and are actualy never going to release them
            "Oh hey guys, look at these avatars we just finished working on."

            "AWESOME. Looks like you spent a lot of time thinking about that! They seem pretty well balanced too, QA guys did a great job."

            "Thanks. But I was thinking."

            "Yeah?"

            "What if we never released them?"

            "What? Why would you do that?"

            "I dunno!"

            "Great!"








            tl;dr, I highly doubt SE has that much weed in their offices.

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            • #81
              Re: And once again.... NO Avatar!

              Originally posted by Feba View Post
              "Oh hey guys, look at these players getting antsy about their new avatars."

              "MAYBE we can procrastinate releasing them until November. We have another FanFest to do, too, and we promised them that we'd have a confusing mess released by then."

              "Ok. But I was thinking."

              "Yeah?"

              "Are we ever going to figure out something that's actually going to fix Summoner for once, rather than just perpetually keeping the players distracted with the promise of shiny new avatars and crappy add-ons?"

              "What? How would we do that?"

              "I dunno!"

              "Exactly!"
              FTFY

              /caps

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              Last edited by Yellow Mage; 07-28-2009, 12:57 PM.
              Originally posted by Armando
              No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
              Originally posted by Armando
              Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
              Originally posted by Taskmage
              GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

              REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

              GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

              THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
              Originally posted by Taskmage
              However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
              Matthew 16:15

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              • #82
                Re: And once again.... NO Avatar!

                Originally posted by Yellow Mage View Post
                "Are we ever going to figure out something that will get SMNs to stop bitching about how they're not gods of damage like other FF games?"

                Ftfy, man.

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                • #83
                  Re: And once again.... NO Avatar!

                  It looks like nothing short of a spoiler picture will convince people that, yes, there is a new avatar coming. And this isn't some "Boss that happened to use the name of a FF summon" type of deal. This is watching a boss in the game physically use the summon animation (green sparkles and fireballs and all) to summon this avatar. And not only that, this boss uses it to use one Blood Pact, then dismisses it, just like SMNs in the game do now.

                  Not A Screenshot, but a Comment
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                  • #84
                    Re: And once again.... NO Avatar!

                    Mmmmm there did you get that information about what he does????

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                    • #85
                      Re: And once again.... NO Avatar!

                      It's all in the mission "Distorter of Time".
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                      • #86
                        Re: And once again.... NO Avatar!

                        Thanks folr your information.
                        I need to pick up and start going WoTG missions

                        So have you seed it...

                        Fight

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                        • #87
                          Re: And once again.... NO Avatar!

                          Originally posted by Ketaru View Post
                          And not only that, this boss uses it to use one Blood Pact, then dismisses it, just like SMNs in the game do now.
                          For S-E
                          Originally posted by Armando
                          No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
                          Originally posted by Armando
                          Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
                          Originally posted by Taskmage
                          GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

                          REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

                          GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

                          THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
                          Originally posted by Taskmage
                          However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
                          Matthew 16:15

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                          • #88
                            Re: And once again.... NO Avatar!

                            I cannt seem to find a pic or a video of the actual fight...

                            Anyone???

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                            • #89
                              Re: And once again.... NO Avatar!

                              I don't care about the theme or powers of Atomos;

                              I have just plain never liked him and still don't. It's very likely that SE is going to add him now but I still don't like it.
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                              • #90
                                Re: And once again.... NO Avatar!

                                Well, Atomos is not my fav avatar, but it would be nice and interesting to see what he was to offer

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