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    A crazy SMN job ability idea: Psychic Absorb and Psychic Project

    SE seems to think that avatars should melee to gain TP to power up their pacts. Look at the descriptions for the merit pacts, for example. However, as it stands that's unworkable since 1) avatar melee isn't cost-effective damage and 2) one needs to dismiss an avatar between fights anyway to conserve and recover MP, losing all that TP before it's even built to a sufficient level. Most of our ideas for fixing avatar melee have been focused on solving problem #1. What if we fixed problem #2 instead?

    My thought is this: give SMN a new pair of job abilities on a shared 30-second timer. One transfers the TP built up by an avatar to the SMN (Psychic Absorb). The other transfers the TP the SMN has to their avatar (Psychic Project). If used intelligently, these two abilities combined could make having avatars melee to build TP to power up Blood Pacts actually work. It could even enable crazy things like letting a SMN run up front long enough to use Spirit Taker to get some of their MP back.

    Thoughts? -- Pteryx
    Tags: ability, absorb, crazy, idea, job, project, psychic, smn
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    Re: A crazy SMN job ability idea: Psychic Absorb and Psychic Project

    So crazy, it might work.

    Course, it may prove fruitless if the avatars still suck, anyway.
    Originally posted by Armando
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    Originally posted by Armando
    Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
    Originally posted by Taskmage
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    GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

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      Re: A crazy SMN job ability idea: Psychic Absorb and Psychic Project

      I'd like it more automatic; have the avatar auto-magically absorbs SMN's TP on summon, and regain any previous TP it had before the last release (as long as the SMN didn't zone).

      Or, a job ability which slowly depletes a SMN's HP but increase the avatar's melee damage and accuracy. Make the amount of depletion increase with level, roughly matching progression of WHM's Regen's. (Matching Souleater's recast and duration would be fine.)
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        Re: A crazy SMN job ability idea: Psychic Absorb and Psychic Project

        Originally posted by Pteryx View Post
        SE seems to think that avatars should melee to gain TP to power up their pacts. Look at the descriptions for the merit pacts, for example. However, as it stands that's unworkable since 1) avatar melee isn't cost-effective damage and 2) one needs to dismiss an avatar between fights anyway to conserve and recover MP, losing all that TP before it's even built to a sufficient level. Most of our ideas for fixing avatar melee have been focused on solving problem #1. What if we fixed problem #2 instead?

        My thought is this: give SMN a new pair of job abilities on a shared 30-second timer. One transfers the TP built up by an avatar to the SMN (Psychic Absorb). The other transfers the TP the SMN has to their avatar (Psychic Project). If used intelligently, these two abilities combined could make having avatars melee to build TP to power up Blood Pacts actually work. It could even enable crazy things like letting a SMN run up front long enough to use Spirit Taker to get some of their MP back.

        Thoughts? -- Pteryx
        In my opinion, it would depend. In an experience party (IT, VT, and few Ts), a Summoner's Spirit Taker doesn't really gain much even with 300 TP. As a solo (not soloing for experiencing such as fighting bombs or any VT or IT that explodes; mainly just stuff like farming, certain missions, etc), it would be very good even though when it comes to farming you can do the spirit taker-for-your-mp-back-fast easily. On a downside like the experience-party statement, I don't know if it helps the job in al levels since the idea relys on a weapon skill that requires to be over lvl 66 with a staff skill of 215. It woudn't be quite fair for the people who are below 66 and don't want to use so much time to get to level 215 staff skill 'cause I know it was a pain to get. Overall, I like the idea if it was combined with a chance to get Spirit Taker early and to boost it's effectiveness against higher monsters. It would be so awesome if the damage varied with MP (similar to Spirits Within).


        Aaliyah is more than a woman and she graduated with a 4.0 GPA (she only had 1 "C" grade ever in her life).

        I bolded and underlined the "is" just for you, Malacite.
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          Re: A crazy SMN job ability idea: Psychic Absorb and Psychic Project

          @ Rain: I think the whole Idea was to keep TP stored for avatars, with the Summoner being the storage subject. Summoners give back the saved TP to the Avatar, and BAM! A Blood Pact that leaves the mob hurtin'.

          Or, at least, is the theory the OP follows.
          Originally posted by Armando
          No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
          Originally posted by Armando
          Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
          Originally posted by Taskmage
          GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

          REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

          GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

          THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
          Originally posted by Taskmage
          However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
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            Re: A crazy SMN job ability idea: Psychic Absorb and Psychic Project

            Originally posted by Rain_Blade View Post
            In my opinion, it would depend. In an experience party (IT, VT, and few Ts), a Summoner's Spirit Taker doesn't really gain much even with 300 TP. As a solo (not soloing for experiencing such as fighting bombs or any VT or IT that explodes; mainly just stuff like farming, certain missions, etc), it would be very good even though when it comes to farming you can do the spirit taker-for-your-mp-back-fast easily. On a downside like the experience-party statement, I don't know if it helps the job in al levels since the idea relys on a weapon skill that requires to be over lvl 66 with a staff skill of 215. It woudn't be quite fair for the people who are below 66 and don't want to use so much time to get to level 215 staff skill 'cause I know it was a pain to get. Overall, I like the idea if it was combined with a chance to get Spirit Taker early and to boost it's effectiveness against higher monsters. It would be so awesome if the damage varied with MP (similar to Spirits Within).
            ...uh, the Spirit Taker thing would be nothing but a nice side bonus and far from the main use of this change according to this idea. So really, it's far from even being close to being unfair to those without spirit taker.

            To me, it seems like a nice idea, but only if the effects of TP really made a noticable boost to an Avatars damage pacts. Personally, I don't know much about Smn so I can't judge myself so maybe someone who does know could chime in on that point. But if it gave Smns a reason to let their avatar melee without wasting the TP they gained then I think it's a great idea.
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              Re: A crazy SMN job ability idea: Psychic Absorb and Psychic Project

              Originally posted by Yellow Mage View Post
              @ Rain: I think the whole Idea was to keep TP stored for avatars, with the Summoner being the storage subject. Summoners give back the saved TP to the Avatar, and BAM! A Blood Pact that leaves the mob hurtin'.

              Or, at least, is the theory the OP follows.
              Oops. I deserve a bonk on the head.


              Aaliyah is more than a woman and she graduated with a 4.0 GPA (she only had 1 "C" grade ever in her life).

              I bolded and underlined the "is" just for you, Malacite.
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                Re: A crazy SMN job ability idea: Psychic Absorb and Psychic Project

                I'd go a step further. Forget Psychic Absorb; make it an automatic property of Dismiss. Psychic Project should still be voluntary, though, because there are some solo times when you'd want to keep your TP. Then you can put it on a minute timer (which just happens to match BP:Rage).

                I wonder if there are situations when it would make sense to go SMN/SAM (assuming an endgame situation where there are plenty of healers around anyway)... probably not unless TP had a lot more effect on BPs than I think it does.


                P.S. Elementals have no TP moves; maybe projecting TP into them could make them cast more often? It's their main weakness right now, they just take too damn long to cast anything.
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                  Re: A crazy SMN job ability idea: Psychic Absorb and Psychic Project

                  Also @ Rain: who's that in your avatar?
                  Originally posted by Armando
                  No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
                  Originally posted by Armando
                  Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
                  Originally posted by Taskmage
                  GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

                  REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

                  GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

                  THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
                  Originally posted by Taskmage
                  However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
                  Matthew 16:15
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                    Re: A crazy SMN job ability idea: Psychic Absorb and Psychic Project

                    Originally posted by Yellow Mage View Post
                    Also @ Rain: who's that in your avatar?
                    An R&B singer named Aaliyah. She died in 2001.


                    Aaliyah is more than a woman and she graduated with a 4.0 GPA (she only had 1 "C" grade ever in her life).

                    I bolded and underlined the "is" just for you, Malacite.
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                      Re: A crazy SMN job ability idea: Psychic Absorb and Psychic Project

                      >. > then shouldn't that read "Aaliyah was more than a woman." ?
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                        Re: A crazy SMN job ability idea: Psychic Absorb and Psychic Project

                        Originally posted by Malacite View Post
                        >. > then shouldn't that read "Aaliyah was more than a woman." ?
                        If I say "was", to me it would mean she no longer is more than a woman now. Her title still lives on, so I prefer "is."


                        Aaliyah is more than a woman and she graduated with a 4.0 GPA (she only had 1 "C" grade ever in her life).

                        I bolded and underlined the "is" just for you, Malacite.
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                          Re: A crazy SMN job ability idea: Psychic Absorb and Psychic Project

                          Pics in sig in Spoiler Tag, please.
                          Originally posted by Armando
                          No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
                          Originally posted by Armando
                          Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
                          Originally posted by Taskmage
                          GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

                          REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

                          GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

                          THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
                          Originally posted by Taskmage
                          However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
                          Matthew 16:15
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                            Re: A crazy SMN job ability idea: Psychic Absorb and Psychic Project

                            I resized it if that's better. (sorry mods for being off topic lol)


                            Aaliyah is more than a woman and she graduated with a 4.0 GPA (she only had 1 "C" grade ever in her life).

                            I bolded and underlined the "is" just for you, Malacite.
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                              Re: A crazy SMN job ability idea: Psychic Absorb and Psychic Project

                              Originally posted by Rain_Blade View Post
                              (sorry mods for being off topic lol)
                              /ditto
                              Originally posted by Armando
                              No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
                              Originally posted by Armando
                              Nintendo always seems to have a legion of haters at the wings ready to jump in and prop up straw men about hardware and gimmicks and casuals.
                              Originally posted by Taskmage
                              GOD IS MIFFED AT AMERICA

                              REPENT SINNERS OR AT LEAST GIVE A NONCOMMITTAL SHRUG

                              GOD IS AMBIVALENT ABOUT FURRIES

                              THE END IS COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN GOD GETS AROUND TO IT
                              Originally posted by Taskmage
                              However much I am actually smart, I got that way by confronting how stupid I am.
                              Matthew 16:15
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