So Summoners...

[Yellow Mage]

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Summoner
New ability. Restore MP by elemental spirits. Ability may also be tied to days of the week and weather. There will be another annoucement on SMN later tonight.

Where's this announcement?

[Tsrwedge]

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It was new avatars.

[Eiyoko]

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Wouldn't it be easier if they simply allowed SMNs to rest MP while an avatar is out?

Not a bad idea, but then perpetuation would be rather pointless. I like it better with the way perpetuation acts now.

[Galaxia]

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wheres the original link the quote was taken from?

[Taskmage]

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wheres the original link the quote was taken from?

These two:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Fa...2007_Live_Blog
Some hawt stuff in there (sux for SAM tho). RDM melee finally as intended?

Here's a link of a lot to look forward to:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Fa...Presentation_B

Here are some Job Adjustments

Warrior
Ability that creates a benefit to WAR for claims. Something like a MNK counter that also stores TP. Used to help pulling. Instead of creating a new tank job, trying to imporove existing tanks.
Monk
Concept for MNK is to reduce TP given. Possibly adding something to Kicks - either a weapon skill or a battle stance that slows (kick?) attack speed and increases potency.
White Mage
At the time of the new expansion - new spell called Repose - a sleep spell. Also effective with scholar sub. Also want to add more teleport spells.
Black Mage
Recognize that skill chains are not happening and then no bursts. They are looking at lowering the resistance rate of skill chains in order to promote magic bursts. Also additions to transportations.
Red Mage
Considering magic to allow RDM to move up to front lines.
Thief
New JA "Accomplice" - it will steal a PT enmity and transfer to himself. Used with perfect dodge or to help a mage in troble.
Paladin
Considering a reflect spell to reflect damage from attacks blocked by shields.
Dark Knight
Design concept was attacker with magic. More dark magic specific spells for use in battle.
Beastmaster
Several new things. 1. Amount of HP with wait will be Greatly increased. 2. New pet command - Snarl - jug pet only order a pet to take all master enmity. A provoke for pets. 3. New pet food to cure all status aliments and lowering recast on reward.
Bard
New songs and abilities. Command to select a single target for a song. Make bard busier by increasing numbr of casts.
Ranger
New ability - Velocity Shot - ranged attacks will be faster and more powerful and mele will be less powerful.
Samurai
Concept is profession able to build TP. Recent additions made SAM too powerful. There will be some adjustments. Additions may include ability to improve skillchains - such as making them faster or reducing resistance to skillchains.
Ninja
Possible new ninjutsu with sneak effect. Possible new ability which temporarily reduces enmity and then restores it to previous amount.
Dragoon
Increase number of actions wyvern takes in battle.
Summoner
New ability. Restore MP by elemental spirits. Ability may also be tied to days of the week and weather. There will be another annoucement on SMN later tonight.
Blue Mage
New monster spells. Updates to come out first update of 2008.
Corsair
New rolls for 2 new jobs. Add effect to quick draw where they can charge it like the scholars. Updates to come out first update of 2008.
Puppetmaster
Considering new attachments and adjustments to existing ones. New automaton weapon skills

[Rain_Blade]

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Wouldn't it be easier if they simply allowed SMNs to rest MP while an avatar is out?

Honestly, I don't know why this is still recommended. I do understand that people want to still restore mp while your avatar is out, but there are other issues with that.

1) Parties don't want us to stand around and watch our avatar melee and fight. It's the only pet job where the master has no "talent" in melee or defense. Parties look at our huge MP for healing. They want us to be able to do something. If we rest while watching avatar fight, they still may see it as the same thing and want you to at least heal the party sometimes.

2) If the resting-while-avatar-is-out becomes true, when you're in a party you may/might be asked to heal. When you're buffing, you may want to get part of the buff too which means for you to cancel your resting and walk up to the melees (most of the time the melees are buffed or the WHOLE party is buffed so there's rarely a mage-only buff). Basically, it'll be too much hassle for the party's wants and needs.

3) Every 3 seconds we lose a certain amount of perpetuation which is 1 tick. Every 10 seconds of resting is 1 tick. So they are different ticks. I'll specify one as perptick and the other restick.

While resting, your character recovers a set number of Magic Points every 10 seconds(tick).

That's a quote from ffxiclopedia. Anyways, if you were losing 8 mp every 9 seconds (which is 3 perpticks and 24 mp), had Clear Mind, and rested for one restick, you'd gain 27 mp meaning you'd restore 24 mp and gain 3 more. Also, each restick goes higher meaning the next tick would restore 29 mp instead of 27 again. hMP that you have obviously helps.

So the point of # 3 is, resting will save perpetuation but definitly not the MP costs of Blood Pacts.

4) In large groups, hopefully you won't be on the move too fast each time because most large groups want to go steady, but still keep it moving fast like Dynamis. Meaning you'd have to cancel resting, move, rest, hears command to move, cancel resting, move, rest, hears command to move, etc.

Edit: Grammer

[Telera]

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As a summoner, I have one thing to say:

Color me totally underwhelmed. Our job is still totally fucked up and it's still more fun to duo with a bst and die repeatedly than be a cure bot for a party.

I find that sad, and so *not* what I had in mind when I bought FFXI and thought "Wow, I can be a summoner."

[Rain_Blade]

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As a summoner, I have one thing to say:

Color me totally underwhelmed. Our job is still totally fucked up and it's still more fun to duo with a bst and die repeatedly than be a cure bot for a party.

I find that sad, and so *not* what I had in mind when I bought FFXI and thought "Wow, I can be a summoner."

I've heard about duoing with a bst is good, but I've never tried it yet. I might wanna try it.

[Telera]

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It actually was pretty fun. Had to get the hang of it, and it was IC with all the fun and games that entails, but we came out pretty good in the end; he got his level and I'm halfway to mine.

Even the dying was less of a nuisance than lfg and conventional parties. I may just duo with him all the way.

[ForceVoid]

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So, should we expect to see this new ability in the next update, January-esque?

[Greyfist]

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As a summoner, I have one thing to say:
Color me totally underwhelmed. Our job is still totally fucked up and it's still more fun to duo with a bst and die repeatedly than be a cure bot for a party.
I find that sad, and so *not* what I had in mind when I bought FFXI and thought "Wow, I can be a summoner."

We don't even know any of the particulars of the updates yet, it's a bit premature to be underwhelmed. For all we know, the new summons are super-awesome and the elemental spirits recharge a SMN at 10 MP/tick while casting ancient spells on everything. I'm interested in seeing greater usefulness out of the elementals, and if they recharge my MP tank to let me keep my avatars out and fighting on a longer basis, nice bonus. More avatar fighting means more avatar TP means stronger bloodpacts means happier me.

They certainly could botch it, the updates could be trash. I wouldn't put it past them. But until the facts are in my hands, I'm reserving judgment.

[Rain_Blade]

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the elemental spirits recharge a SMN at 10 MP/tick

Where is this from?

[Yellow Mage]

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Where is this from?

For all we know, the new summons are super-awesome and the elemental spirits recharge a SMN at 10 MP/tick while casting ancient spells on everything.

[Rain_Blade]

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Ah it was sarcasm =/ lol

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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No, about the only thing that would have made me happy is something resembling an overhaul of the job. SE's said they don't like how it's being played, but they aren't doing anything about it.

I'd be careful with that attitude, I had that attitude about BST and we've gotten a huge boost in the last two updates. They originally said our adjustments would come after other job got updates in WotG.

Apparently plans changed.

And for the record, BST hadn't seen real updates before August of this year, we only had things taken away prior to that. Summoner got the Blood Pact updates along side October 2006's RNG and SAM updates. Now RNG got another update and feels like its where it needs to be, so does BST. The end result of both updates is a notable improvement to both jobs.

If you're holding out hope that SMN will become the ZOMGBBQ Damage Dealer mage class that never has to cure people, just give up now, mages will always be needed for curing. But if you're patient, I'm sure there's more on the way.

And I, for one, DO want to see more available avatars. If the job updates prove anything, you can update and improve other jobs while adding new jobs to the mix. Same can be done for Avatars.