Summoner/White mage GAH!

[Akashimo]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

I think any smn who wants to play just for the purpose of getting avatars to use can agree that the "accepted" playing style is as far fetch'd as thf/pup tanking kirin in terms of being fun >_>; Anything really its that cure should be like the nukes and enfeebles for subbed skills. Though, then there is the issue of prep/bp cost and bp timers >_>;

[Vildar]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

All i was trying to say was that people should not be compleate jerks when something is not right in their party. Instead of showting abuse at me, he could have said "You know whm subed would be a little more usefull"

[Taskmage]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

I think it's the other way around. Subbed magic other than healing magic should be good enough to at least be usable, or avatar melee should be worthwhile enough to leave the avatars out and forego /healing during combat to give summoners something to do between blood pacts. But the fact is it isn't that way, and until SE decides to change that I think it's pointless to argue the issue.

All i was trying to say was that people should not be compleate jerks when something is not right in their party. Instead of showting abuse at me, he could have said "You know whm subed would be a little more usefull"

That I'll agree with wholeheartedly, but like the other side of the conversation, unfortunately that's not the way it is. All we can really do about it is try to be less of a jerk to other people.

[Chro]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

I feel as if subbing a certain job just cause "it works the best" is crap. If ye want to go and learn new styles of play in this game, and use the freedom it should give, you should experiment in parties with this kind of sub, hell ye could even try SMN/DRK for atk boost

[Kirsteena]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

The thing is, after 5 years of FFXI, all sub combos have been tried and tested to death. The ones that work are the accepted ones. It may seem harsh, but you have to ask yourself what is your sub bringing to the table.

And before you bring out the "It's my money per month" it is also the money of those 5 other party members...

[Vildar]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

While i have been leveling summoner, all i have recived is abuse. While soloing in the mines in the zone of N Gustburg (Cant remember the name) some random human warrior came and slaughterd all the enimies and shouted at me "lol level summoner now galka noob!"

Yes i know a galka is not built for a mage, but there is no need to fire abuse at me because of it. I have nothing against Taru melee's, i only said what i did as self defence.

[Chro]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

Well if they didn't want a blm sub, then they shouldn't have added the guy! They had no right to complain after adding him.

[Taskmage]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

Really, there's not a darn thing wrong with galka mages.

Again, sorry you keep running into jerks.

And I have no problem with trying unorthodox subs, but you need to be aware of exactly what your subjob is doing for you and why you're using the sub you're using.

[Vildar]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

The main reason i am using black mage as a sub, is the more mp. If my party gets agroed by something while we are not ready, the more mp lets me quickly summon a spirit to hold the beast, while we zone it. Also i know that my skills are half capped, but to me im doing that little extra damage to help kill it, Plus as Chro says, if they didint want me, why invite me.

[Kirsteena]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

To be honest, mp isn't the most important thing, it is how fast you get it back. I'd recommend you camp a Pilgrim's Wand (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Pilgrim%27s_Wand), and get some Baron's Slops (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Baron%27s_Slops) when you are 20 to help you regain mp faster. If you use a Rolanberry Pie, for mp +50 (they are nice and cheap) and maybe level cooking to 30 to be able to make pineapple juices on the hoof, all helps with mp regen.

Most people will invite smn/blm expected them to change to /whm.

If it helps, I know several Galka mages who do make it work for them. But it does take care.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

There could be some benefits to using /BLM if you ignore the gimped nuking and the lack of /WHM.

Conserve MP: Occasionally reduces MP costs for spells.

Magic Attack Bonus: Improves power of Magic spells.

Elemental Seal: Enhances accuracy of next spell.

Blaze, Frost, and Shock Spikes: Could be used for those " " moments.

Utility Spells: Mainly Warp or Escape.

And, last and least, those offensive spells: Optional Magic Bursts when you don't have the matching Avatar for the Skillchain. Pair these with Elemental Seal for maximum effect.

If I got something wrong, please inform me, but since everybody was shouting why SMN/BLM shouldn't be used, I figured "might as well look up any advantages there could be." The above list is what I got from it.

[Legal Fish]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

In a game where you solo, no one would care what you do. However, in FFXI, you don't solo, you party up... this means what you are and what you can do is very important to them. They want the party slot you take up to matter. This is why SMN/BLM fails. It fails at the very core of it's mechanics. You are failing your teammates as a SMN/BLM, this is why they are being rude to you.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

The main reason i am using black mage as a sub, is the more mp. If my party gets agroed by something while we are not ready, the more mp lets me quickly summon a spirit to hold the beast, while we zone it. Also i know that my skills are half capped, but to me im doing that little extra damage to help kill it, Plus as Chro says, if they didint want me, why invite me.

As Kirsteena said, MP isn't going to be a big issue with SMN as much as getting it back.

Also, if you want to Summon something faster, /RDM has Fast Cast, as well as a few Healing spells to keep everybody alive.

Downsides? RDM doesn't have the best healing to begin with, as a matter of fact, thier Healing Skill is the worst in the game; subbing it could make it worse, but, as said earlier, Healing Skill is mostly just for show as far as actual potency of Curing goes.

Also, thier MP is the least out of the BLM, WHM, RDM trio. And while they have nukes, you'd be doing even worse than if you subbed /BLM for nukes, if it's even possible.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

If I invite a SMN/BLM seeking party, I expect him to change to /WHM before joining. If he arrives as SMN/BLM intentionally, I'd kick him out of the party. Any SMN without that much understanding of party dynamics shouldn't even put up the seek flag.

Not that I would be abusive personally, but if you show up to party as SMN/BLM, you're asking for harsh language or /blist add.

[Vildar]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

To be honest, mp isn't the most important thing, it is how fast you get it back. I'd recommend you camp a Pilgrim's Wand (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Pilgrim%27s_Wand), and get some Baron's Slops (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Baron%27s_Slops) when you are 20 to help you regain mp faster. If you use a Rolanberry Pie, for mp +50 (they are nice and cheap) and maybe level cooking to 30 to be able to make pineapple juices on the hoof, all helps with mp regen.

Thanks for this advice. If i can get the cash i would get the slops. But i am quite straped for cash at the moment.

Blaze, Frost, and Shock Spikes: Could be used for those " " moments.

Utility Spells: Mainly Warp or Escape.

This is another reason i mainly want to sub black mage. As summoner is my main mage job, i belive that subbing black with it will make it a little more usefull.

In a game where you solo, no one would care what you do. However, in FFXI, you don't solo, you party up... this means what you are and what you can do is very important to them. They want the party slot you take up to matter. This is why SMN/BLM fails. It fails at the very core of it's mechanics. You are failing your teammates as a SMN/BLM, this is why they are being rude to you.

If they didint want a blm sub, why invite me THEN fire abuse at me. They saw my sub job when searching for me.

Also, if you want to Summon something faster, /RDM has Fast Cast, as well as a few Healing spells to keep everybody alive. Downside? RDM doesn't have the best healing to begin with, as a matter of fact, thier Healing Skill is the worst in the game; subbing it could make it worse, but, as said earlier, Healing Skill is mostly just for show as far as actual potency of Curing goes.

That could be an idea, i may try that sometime but seen as my RDM is level 1 i might not try it any time soon