Summoner/White mage GAH!

[Vildar]

Hey. I have only been playing summoner for about a few days now, and i have been subbing black mage. My summoner level is now 15, but at level 12, i got invited into a party in the dunes. Being a galka i got some bursts of abuse thrown at mefor being a mage. That is not what botherd me. As soon as i got to the camp, one member of the party tells me to go back and sub white mage. Of course i say no but he then has a massive rant at me saying "Your not playing your job properly, Summoners are ment to sub white mage noob!"

This then led back to the point of me being a galka.
After this i lashed out in self defence saying "Well, Taru's arnt built to play a melee job!" This taru was a warior red mage.

My main rant realy is that many parties did not invite me in as i "not playing my job properly" Summoners in my opinion are not ment ot be white mages, were are ment to SUMMON avatars and spirits!

Yes i understand that most summoners do this to get party invites, but me personaly i hate the idea. And to get abuse thrown at me for not subbing white mage, i think is just plain wrong. This game can be played by anyone however they like, and i choose to sub black mage.

Ok, my rant is over thanks.

[Mhurron]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

me personaly i hate the idea.

You may do what you want, but don't expect parties going /blm. SMN/BLM is next to useless in a party until SMN are actually invited as dd's, even then it's not an optimal setup. Before then, SMN is invited to heal.

Do what you want, but you can't get mad if you don't do what the party wants and they get rid of you for someone who does.

[kglover1969]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

In my opinion ( level 75 smn )

Whm is the only viable sub job until end game.

I have tried to sub blm before, during my climb to 75, and believe me. there is more to contribute to the party if you are sub whm. (as sub blm, everything is way too gimped.)

But if you do not believe me, continue to use blm as your sub and see where it goes.

[Kirsteena]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

So, what do you do when you wait for the bloodpact timers?

It is a long time solo to 75 unless you are prepared to work with parties. Smn is a good DD yes, and your time will come, but until you get there, it is often a support job.

[Vildar]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

Its not that they didnt want a sum/blm, its that i got abuse thrown at me for not wanting to change. Yea sometime i will change to whm if i want, but not if i get abuse thrown at me for not bacing it subbed in the first place.

[Vildar]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

So, what do you do when you wait for the bloodpact timers?

What i usualy do is throw in some nukes with the rest of my MP.

[Omniblast]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

So, what do you do when you wait for the bloodpact timers?

It is a long time solo to 75 unless you are prepared to work with parties. Smn is a good DD yes, and your time will come, but until you get there, it is often a support job.

Well that's obvious. You nuke as much as possible spending what little amount of mp you do have. Yay it's fun to nuke for 1 damage!

[Mhurron]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

What i usualy do is throw in some nukes with the rest of my MP.

Hooray for no MP management and resisted nukes!

[Taskmage]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

What i usualy do is throw in some nukes with the rest of my MP.

At level 12 I'd believe that might be viable, but when you're level 30 and your nukes are as strong and accurate as a level 15 character I doubt you'll be impressed with them. Just leaving Carby out is probably much more mp-efficient damage.

Offensive magic granted by subjob is generally useless unless your main job naturally has skill in it. Same goes for most enhancing magic. That's why /whm is considered the only viable subjob for smn for most of the game. Curative magic doesn't drop significantly in effectiveness when used from a subjob.

[Vildar]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

This has nothing to do with smn/whm in general. It is the fact that i had abuse thrown at me for playing the job the way i want to. If i sub whm and get to summon aswell then yea thats ok, but most smn/whm i have seen are told not to summon with fear of being kicked from the party. I would not mind having to secondry/main heal, aslong as i can do what a summoner is ment to do.

To be fair, half healing skill isnt all that usefull to.

[Mhurron]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

Significantly more useful then 0 damage stone. A SMN can keep a party alive with cures, they can't kill a mob with nukes.

But do whatever you want, just don't whine about it when others don't like it.

[Vildar]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

At level 12 I'd believe that might be viable, but when you're level 30 and your nukes are as strong and accurate as a level 15 character I doubt you'll be impressed with them. Just leaving Carby out is probably much more mp-efficient damage.

But then isnt that the same as a whm/blk throwing some nukes from time to time.?

[Chro]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

Basically, i see it that at the dunes level ye are you won't be able to use Cure 2 whilst subbing, so ye useless as a main healer. I've been in a crappy party once where they wanted me as main healer...we died very fast...

Subbing blm has up's and down's too, advantages like higher mp pool are nice. But the lower dmg from magic spells sucks.

In the end it's your choice, just don't expect a party invite from those who can't find a competant whm to heal them...

[Taskmage]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

To be fair, half healing skill isnt all that usefull to.

No, actually it is. That's what I'm saying. The soft caps for healing magic aren't that hard to reach with a decent amount of mnd, even with halved healing magic skill. You might notice the difference on your Divine Seal + Curaga, but that's about it. And -na spells, the other important thing, can't fail except in extremely rare instances like Serket poison or Mortal Ray from taurs, so half skill doesn't affect it at all.

Sorry people were rude to you, but you're going to get that kind of crap if you insist on playing your job outside its accepted bounds. Not condoning it or anything, but if you insist on that playstyle you just need to develop a thicker skin about it.

And on a tangent, rdm/war really isn't that bad of a combination at that level. I wouldn't trade Red Lotus Blade access and the ability to tank for the extra mp from a mage sub at that point myself, but melee as a rdm is actually pretty viable up through at least level 30.

But then isnt that the same as a whm/blk throwing some nukes from time to time.?

whm/blm is the canon abbreviation. I've never seen a good white mage throwing nukes other than in a particular 2x nin party where practically no healing was required, and even then she only nuked as a magic burst. There's no way the spell would've landed for full damage without the magic accuracy bonus from an MB. A whm free-nuking in a non-PLed party is unacceptable and frankly stupid. The contribution you're making (generic you) to the party's kill speed is nothing compared to the downtime you're adding by frittering away that valuable mp. Conserve mp as much as possible to reduce the time the party waits for you to regain mp between chains as a whm.

[Srxjo]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

As a RDM when i was starting the game i meleed all the way to 40 when i had the time ie. WHM insists he wants to enfeeble but i didn't melee things that had AoE WS so i didn't fight the flys my PTs normally said why are you just standing there start meleeing becouse of that i decided to keep my sword semi lvled and 'm glad i did as noy i'm only 3 skill lvls away from capped sword 19 from my dagger, when i first started the game they gave me a dagger as a starting weapon got to lvl 7 skill and then my friend upgraded and gave my his old sword and i used swords from then on till i got to 75 and lvled dagger