Summoner/White mage GAH!

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

I only party with a select type of people.
(People that don't care about fast exp.)

You never ask me ._.;

I've had a great time trying out COR in varying setups. I give all my SMNs BST roll (+attack for pet), but I would like to try others out. I want to to a pet PT sometime, actually (BST, PUP, SMN, DRG).

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

This has nothing to do with smn/whm in general. It is the fact that i had abuse thrown at me for playing the job the way i want to.

You can play the job any way that you like... if you play solo.

If you want to play in a group with other people, you have to be ready to compromise on personal preferences.

[Shirai]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

You never ask me ._.;

I've had a great time trying out COR in varying setups. I give all my SMNs BST roll (+attack for pet), but I would like to try others out. I want to to a pet PT sometime, actually (BST, PUP, SMN, DRG).

Hehe, I haven't played in a while except for Limbus.

As for pet parties, they're pretty fun.
I used to team up with beastmasters mid 50's which was a pretty fun experience.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

I just want to say that i have tried whm subbed, and the party died very fast. Not sure if this was due to me being inexperienced or the party as a whole. We did have an actual whm there but they wernt very good. Again i had abuse for not keeping them alive . They said nothing to the actual main healer.

If you're SMN/WHM, and sitting on a lot of MP and didn't cure when the tank died, you're partly to blame. If you're SMN/anything-but-RDM-or-WHM, you're still partly responsible if party members die while you have MP.

Of course, main healer is more responsible, and tanks themselves have duty for damage mitigation and keeping others from getting hit. Doesn't mean the non-main healer SMN gets off free, though.

If you used up MP while curing and didn't waste the MP you had, then no, you're not to blame. Something else went wrong.

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Don't get me wrong; I don't think SMN's should only cure. What they should do is prioritize and time the BP's and cures correctly; i.e. intelligently use their MP to help party achieve the goal of reasonable kill rate and safety while exp'ing.

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To Freedan:

Again, just stay away from exp parties; don't leech from them. Keep solo'ing however (in)efficiently you prefer, and try not to corrupt up-and-coming SMN's too much.

[Cotners]

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Oh about the analogy to driving in 1st gear vs. 4th gear. You actually get more bang for the buck driving 35~ mph. It has been tested that driving slower = more milage. oddly enough. I don't think this has anything to do about it, but I just thought I'd put in some nonsense here.

Sorry to derail the debate but I wanted to clarify this since I have done a good amount of work in the mechanic department... A car's maximum fuel efficiancy is reached when the engine's suggested RPMs are being maintained. Meaning, each gear can hit the same MPG. Most cars advertise their MPG at 60 MPH in 4th gear.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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But, but! What about drag from tire and air resistance? XD

Besides, I thought the MPG figures are determined by EPA testing methods, and the two numbers (highway and local) are actually computed from dyno testings at various speeds, using a secret math formula us mere mortals not privileged to know.

Getting rid of stop and go traffic during commute hours probably would do more for actual fuel efficiency of the U.S. fleet than anything else, I think. That, and make 90% of urban SUV drivers switch to a van/minivan/station wagon/hatch back instead.

[Cotners]

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I didn't mention how they came across the numbers, I said when they are reached on the road. Yes, there are many variables involved when you are driving, but they are just that, variable.

Edit: I should have mentioned the above is highway MPG... Stop and go traffic is more taxing on your engine, resulting in a lower MPG.

[fencingkitty]

Re: Summoner/White mage GAH!

Can this thread beat a dead horse any further?

Really though, I post and peruse these forums due to the generally welcoming, anti-flame, educational atmosphere of the the community (as opposed to say KI or Alla) and the behaviour and commentary of some of the posters has been counter to the general attitude of the boards which (presumably) most folk here also gather for.

OP had a rant that started about /BLM and evolved into a rant about effectively abuse about that sub. Many have thrown out suggestions, explanations, condolances, and in general tried to help the OP in one of these ways. Kudos and awesome-sauce.

Really though, if you don't have anything else to say other than 'quit being an idiot', is it really neccessary to keep posting it? You can always PM someone to tell them they're a jack*** and no need to air dirty laundry in the street.

To the OP, I empathize that you had abuse hurled at you in game about your sub but as many here have already mentioned, do your research and realize it can/will happen. You have options of soloing, changing, or whatever. Really, nothing stops both you and them from just ignoring one another.

My 2 cents is really just to suggest the /WHM and either party with friends, ls mates, or search out good parties, ones with a dedicated WHM maybe. I'm only 31 SMN so far and I've never been main heal so far (I know that mostly comes later with Spring Water and Healing Wind or whatever Garuda's is). But Mp conservation and being able to back up your WHM is in general more helpful to your party and your personal survival.

As to the mindset of 'don't level SMN without Fenrir or Diabolos', well IMO they're luxuries. They won't make or break your party. At higher levels they going to be very useful, but not to the point where I'd neccessarily say level something else to 60-75 first so you can have them. I could be wrong and if anyone feels the need to educate me on it, sweets. All knowledge is worth having.

I'm starting to get rambly, so in short...boo to dead horse burgers, /joy to a haven of ventation and education. (yeah, I did just make up 'ventation' but it's about all I had atm >.> ) Apologies for the novel and no you can not have a Reader's Digest Version XD

[Freedan]

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Oh and Freedan, your an "person lacking in subnormal intelligence, borderlined between a half-wit & imbecile". That's just my diversified opinion.

Wow personal attack

Just remember any idiot can level a flavor of the week/month job to 75. If I can do the things I want to do and still enjoy my time spent in Vana'Diel. Who is the bigger idiot, the person that is having fun or the one that walks the same path as hundreds of others?

Lemming Much?

[Legal Fish]

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Who is the bigger idiot, the person that is having fun or the one that walks the same path as hundreds of others?

What if someone has fun while walking the same path as hundreds of others?

[Taskmage]

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Wow personal attack
Just remember any idiot can level a flavor of the week/month job to 75. If I can do the things I want to do and still enjoy my time spent in Vana'Diel. Who is the bigger idiot, the person that is having fun or the one that walks the same path as hundreds of others?
Lemming Much?

If none of your friends jumped off a bridge, would you jump to be different?

I mean, any idiot can walk from one side of a bridge to the other, but I guess it takes someone of your superior creative spirit to think of crashing into the current and washing up on the opposite shore.

Do you realize that in your little one-man rebellion against the oppression of good, useful subjobs you're displaying the same smug, stubborn, self-righteous and unreasoning attitude that you characterize the users of mainstream subjobs as having?

Personally, I think if a person is having fun and enjoying their time spent here on earth by dashing his head into walls, that person is still an idiot. I don't care how mundane they feel it would be to walk right past the wall without any interaction. The fact that they're having fun doesn't make them any more intelligent for acting like a retard.

[Yellow Mage]

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If none of your friends jumped off a bridge, would you jump to be different?

QFT .

Actually, not just quoted for truth, quited because it's so darn quotable! I think I'm even going to put this in my currently non-existant signature.

But it does make me upset that /WHM and /RDM are really the only viable subs for Summoner possible by most extensions of the imagination. The point is, you can't make a case for anything else! (Maybe /BLU, /NIN, and I've even heard of /SAM before in solo.)

With something like Red Mage, one could argue almost any job as a sub, minus pet jobs, plus maybe Puppetmaster. But with Summoner, you're on a one-way journey through the Valley of Searching for Group if you do anything other than /WHM, or /RDM, or /BLU if you're lucky.

[Freedan]

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If none of your friends jumped off a bridge, would you jump to be different?

Base Jumpers do it all the time, if it wasn't fun they wouldn't be doing it.

Do you realize that in your little one-man rebellion against the oppression of good, useful subjobs you're displaying the same smug, stubborn, self-righteous and unreasoning attitude that you characterize the users of mainstream subjobs as having?

You know, I don't actually have a problem with /WHM, its the fact that /WHM being FORCED on the populace is what bothers me.
Siding with the majority and playing in a way that you don't want to is nothing short of a cop-out.

Just because one job combination isn't as "efficient" as another, doesn't make the less "efficient" playstyle any less valid.

Personally, I think if a person is having fun and enjoying their time spent here on earth by dashing his head into walls, that person is still an idiot. I don't care how mundane they feel it would be to walk right past the wall without any interaction. The fact that they're having fun doesn't make them any more intelligent for acting like a retard.

People do lots of things in this world for enjoyment that I find odd.
Jumping out of a perfectly good airplane?
Swimming with Sharks?
Eating Puffer Fish?
Snow boarding down an Avalanche?
And many many more activities.

But do I go out of my way to change them, tell them to lead normal lives? NO. I don't.
Why are /WHM users pushing their play style on to others?




**Puffer fish is highly poisonious if it isn't prepared just right

[Nuriko]

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Just because one job combination isn't as "efficient" as another, doesn't make the less "efficient" playstyle any less valid.

In party play, yes it does ... a party needs people to pull their weight, or the person who isn't is leeching off the ones that are to a lesser or greater extent.

[Omniblast]

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But, but! What about drag from tire and air resistance? XD

Besides, I thought the MPG figures are determined by EPA testing methods, and the two numbers (highway and local) are actually computed from dyno testings at various speeds, using a secret math formula us mere mortals not privileged to know.

Getting rid of stop and go traffic during commute hours probably would do more for actual fuel efficiency of the U.S. fleet than anything else, I think. That, and make 90% of urban SUV drivers switch to a van/minivan/station wagon/hatch back instead.

The epa standards are incorrect. They are being revised for 2008. Your current milage on all and or most vehicles are suppose to be lower than what they are being displayed at the seller's slip.

Check out http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorSelectYear.jsp

All vehicles are rated lower due to several factors. Some being engine and design, other being driving style of the driver, i.e. Jackrabbit starts, etc.

Oh and Freedan, go level SMN to 75, then come talk with the rest of us. Make sure you DON'T sub WHM. Ok pumpkin?
Same with Vildar. Look you have the entire friggin' community here telling you the pros and cons of what to sub. It's time to close this thread, and make your own decision. After 3 pages of argument "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink" falls true to this. Sorry to be so harsh, but damn, you guys are so stubborn, fine, go solo for your exp, go do what you want.

Oh another suggestion Vildar, maybe you should level a more "galka type job" first, afford some astral rings, and wear them while leveling SMN. You never mentioned your equipment so I'll just make an ass-u-me and think that you don't have any astrals.