Enough of the Assumptions! T.T

[Eiyoko]

Re: Enough of the Assumptions! T.T

You apparently don't get it. Summoners can do just fine without every single avatar available. People are just greedy selfish and elitist and put people down for not being up to par. Think about it. Summoner isn't my first job, but do you think anyone will want to help a 66DRG get Fenrir, much less Diabolos?

...nope, didn't think so.

I can rant on and on about this but I have better things to do with my time than deal with fools. Relying on assets...ugh....

If you're so bent on reprimanding SMN for not having everything, I have a challenge for you. Play Summoner yourself. THEN tell us how we can't do our job without Fenrir.

[Shirai]

Re: Enough of the Assumptions! T.T

And i stop cutting smns slack at 70 regardless, but then again i dont have smns main heal so your primarly a support class you dont have all your support abilites you can go be a gimped main healer for someone else.

Alas, not everyone thinks like you do, however a lot of parties these days do treat me more like support then healer.
More also because the RDM takes over the healing duties while I Hastega/Ecliptic Howl/Earthen Ward the party.
Those 3 are from avatars each summoner should have at level 65 and up, I agree to that.
However the primary focus of the thread starter was Diabolos, of which I have to say a even level 75 summoner would not miss him unless they do endgame activities which involve kited mobs.

[Telera]

Re: Enough of the Assumptions! T.T

tele you dont have light or dark spirits??? get ur smn butt in game they will be in ur dbox tonight!!! And as for Shins ideas about this im going to have to agree, im sorry but unless your first job is smn im not going to cut you slack. And i stop cutting smns slack at 70 regardless, but then again i dont have smns main heal so your primarly a support class you dont have all your support abilites you can go be a gimped main healer for someone else.

No, Boss, as I said, I gave Light Spirit in good faith that that THF was telling the truth, only to have Sho tell me later that he saw the guy pawn it on the AH. Sho was upset, and so was I, thinking I'd actually helped someone out and returned a favor. No, him gaining 500k off my generosity isn't exactly the kind of 'helping' I'd had in mind. He had told me he had a low lvl smn that needed the spell.

Dark I meant to buy, but when I finally got Enke bracelets and sold them (thanks to Jinxer and Enchantedwhale), I ended up finishing my Ele Stave collection, getting a decent belt, and getting all but one GB done. o.o;

[SharMarali]

Re: Enough of the Assumptions! T.T

You apparently don't get it. Summoners can do just fine without every single avatar available. People are just greedy selfish and elitist and put people down for not being up to par. Think about it. Summoner isn't my first job, but do you think anyone will want to help a 66DRG get Fenrir, much less Diabolos?
...nope, didn't think so.
I can rant on and on about this but I have better things to do with my time than deal with fools. Relying on assets...ugh....
If you're so bent on reprimanding SMN for not having everything, I have a challenge for you. Play Summoner yourself. THEN tell us how we can't do our job without Fenrir.

Hrmm... I agree with you that SMN doesn't *need* Fenrir and Diabolos. However, I'm tired of the argument that someone must have job x at 75 to understand the mechanics of it.

Just because a person doesn't have all jobs at 75 doesn't mean they can't have a basic understanding of all of them. I personally disagree with the opinion that a SMN has to have these two avatars at low-to-mid levels, and I even think a SMN can LIVE without Diabolos forever, and without Fenrir until about 60. It's better for the SMN to have Fenrir sooner, but if they don't, it's not going to singlehandedly kill a PT.

But I don't think anyone is any less entitled to their opinion just because they personally chose to level a different job.

[Eiyoko]

Re: Enough of the Assumptions! T.T

Hrmm... I agree with you that SMN doesn't *need* Fenrir and Diabolos. However, I'm tired of the argument that someone must have job x at 75 to understand the mechanics of it.
Just because a person doesn't have all jobs at 75 doesn't mean they can't have a basic understanding of all of them. I personally disagree with the opinion that a SMN has to have these two avatars at low-to-mid levels, and I even think a SMN can LIVE without Diabolos forever, and without Fenrir until about 60. It's better for the SMN to have Fenrir sooner, but if they don't, it's not going to singlehandedly kill a PT.
But I don't think anyone is any less entitled to their opinion just because they personally chose to level a different job.

Sorry if I worded it wrong. Personally I'm just tired of people bugging me 'cause I don't have Diabolos so I find it a bit hard to think straight. Some idiot in the 40's told me to "go get him" in the middle of a party. As if it were to take like what, 2 minutes. When I said "go level SMN yourself" I didn't mean to come across quite like that.

Honestly, I'm not exaggerating.

I never -quite- meant to say you have to be leveled in the job to understand it. Some people just don't seem to see that there's more that summoners can do besides spam Fenrir at the levels you have those certain abilities from him.

I never was able to get Fenrir until my SMN was level 66. Until then I spent alot of my time main healing (which I have no problem doing, by the way, so long as the party doesn't mistake me for an actual WHM) and supporting in other ways.

Again my appologies if I was mistaken.

[SharMarali]

Re: Enough of the Assumptions! T.T

I had Fenrir at level 37. I still main healed most of the way to 75. As I've mentioned before, Diabolos as a pact wasn't released until I'd been 75 for quite awhile, so obviously I didn't have him.

The SMN-as-a-main-healer argument is a side issue and there are plenty of threads where we've hashed that one out. I just don't want you to think that SMNs who have Fenrir at lower levels somehow have a completely different experience than SMNs who didn't get him til later in the game. We were still asked for basically the same buffs and invited to main heal. The only difference is that we had Ecliptical Howl, Ecliptical Growl, and Lunar Cry backing us up too. Lunar Cry, by the way, is pretty freaking inaccurate in my experience. >_<;;