Fenrir Prime. I'm Confused.

[Snowball]

I made my way over to the video section, and downloaded the fenrir prime battle from here. Click Here

I have enjoyed watching it, but thought it quite long and a bit tedius too, but now I'm confused about something.

From the start of the battle I was thinking, where does carby fit into this, because I thought it was supposed to be a high level smn battle. Then I realised that the player in the video was NIN/RDM, so no carby there. Heh.
I presume that at the end of that battle, you get to summon Fenrir as a pet, so I started looking through the SMN and NIN list in my FFXl guide to see if it was mentioned, but I couldn't find it.

Is there a job which gets Fenrir as a pet afterwards or not? And if so, then which one is it please?

[Khevn]

Re: Fenrir Prime. I'm Confused.

Summoner get fenrir as a summon

[Jei]

Re: Fenrir Prime. I'm Confused.

The player was Rdm/nin.

Carbuncle appears as part of the story of the Fenrir battle. After you collect all whispers from 6 element alavatars, it is carbuncle who collects them all and call forth Fenrir to the player. It's a cut scene, basicly.

Defeating Fenrir, again, like other avatars, you get a choice of rewards. One of the rewards, is to be able to summon Fenrir. Of course, you have to change your job to summoner to be able to actually call him out.

[Icemage]

Re: Fenrir Prime. I'm Confused.

I think Snowball is mistakenly thinking that there is a Trial-Sized Trial battle for Fenrir. There is not. You have to take him on as the standard battle (and I seem to recall he's somewhere around level 85), which means unless you get a lot of helpful summoners at level 75 to help you (5x SMN75), you're pretty much going to have to do it yourself at level 75.


Icemage

[Snowball]

Re: Fenrir Prime. I'm Confused.

I think Snowball is mistakenly thinking that there is a Trial-Sized Trial battle for Fenrir. There is not. You have to take him on as the standard battle (and I seem to recall he's somewhere around level 85), which means unless you get a lot of helpful summoners at level 75 to help you (5x SMN75), you're pretty much going to have to do it yourself at level 75.
Icemage

What is a (and I quote) "Trial-Sized Trial battle?"
I don't understand!

[Taskmage]

Re: Fenrir Prime. I'm Confused.

The trial sized trials are the avatar fights you can do at level 20 as a summoner.

[hongman]

Re: Fenrir Prime. I'm Confused.

I think those are the "mini" avatar battles they are referring to, which you get access to when your smn is lvl 20.

*edit*

Got beat to it haha

[Snowball]

Re: Fenrir Prime. I'm Confused.

The player was Rdm/nin.
Carbuncle appears as part of the story of the Fenrir battle. After you collect all whispers from 6 element alavatars, it is carbuncle who collects them all and call forth Fenrir to the player. It's a cut scene, basicly.

Defeating Fenrir, again, like other avatars, you get a choice of rewards. One of the rewards, is to be able to summon Fenrir. Of course, you have to change your job to summoner to be able to actually call him out.

Hmm..... so the player in that battle vid went through this as a RDM/NIN? (well I was nearly correct with NIN/RDM at least) But would obviously have to change to smn afterwards like you said.

I am aware that the other battles for Ramuh, Ifrit, Shiva e.t.c are to be done at level 20+. As you can see, my smn is still only level 12, (been working on a couple of other jobs, haven't updated my sig yet) but does it mean that I could use my level 30 WHM to do these battles, and could use SMN as sub for the extra support in the battle(s)?

If the player in that Fenrir battle didn't use SMN to battle him, then I see no reason why I can't use my WHM/SMN for the battles I mentioned.

My SMN is still rather low at level 12, so I may want to work on gaining a few levels first. Maybe to level 15 or 16 for e.g.

[Caspian]

Re: Fenrir Prime. I'm Confused.

The level 20 battles have to be done as SMN main, and are done with Carby.
The "Prime" fights can be done with any job.

[Gobo]

Re: Fenrir Prime. I'm Confused.

There are 2 sets of fights:

The Original uncapped fights released a long time ago when Rise of the Zilart came out I think. Any job @ any lvl is able to participate in those fights, provided they have meet the fame requirements in cities and have the quest activated. The Avatars are lvl 65-70 and have access to all their abilities. There are also the Fenrir and Diabolos fights which have extra requirements.

The "Mini" fights were released about sixish(?) months after NA release of FFXI. They require less fame than the original fights, however its capped at lvl 20 and only 1 player, as a SMN, can partake in the fight. Only the 6 "celestial" avatars (aka Ifrit, Shiva, Ramuh, Garuda, Titan and Leviathan) are available to "mini" fight. The mini-versions of the avatars have restricted abilities(No lvl 40+ BPs i believe) and are around lvl 22-23.

The video of the RDM/NIN soloing the Fenrir fight is nothing more than the guy doing to prove that it is possible.

[Sabaron]

Re: Fenrir Prime. I'm Confused.

RDM soloing videos are quite popular because in a PT, RDM is just an MP battery, buffer/enfeebler. Red Mage takes on a very "magely" aspect. RDM has such a wide variety of abilities, however, that it allows high level members of the class to take on very powerful monsters that no others could possibly take on solo. It's kind of dangerous to do this with Fenrir and most people wouldn't be willing to risk 6 whispers...but a Red Mage's ability to solo Prime Avatars allows him to collect the whispers much faster than other jobs. A Red Mage is the class most likely to have a large collection of Avatar Related Googaws, the most precious of which is the Evoker's Ring.

Summoner is not generally regarded as a class for the young. In order to maximize its potential one must have very powerful friends and most likely have an alternate high-level job. I did SMN30 so that I could be of great use in Promyvion to get access to the CoP storyline and farm 30-Earrings with my LS. It's a fun class, but I don't plan on levelling it until I've got the full set of Avatars (courtesy of my Red Mageness).

I didn't watch the linked video, but I think that's probably the NA RDM/NIN soloing Fenrir with DoT technique. I believe he uses a Vile Elixir/Vile Elixir +1 at one point which isn't generally a cheap way to go but it's probably better to cough up the cash for some nice consumables than to lose 6 whispers.

[Icemage]

Re: Fenrir Prime. I'm Confused.

Re: Sabaron
You don't lose whispers when you fight Fenrir Prime.

You only need the whispers one time - the first time you get the Moon Bauble key item to open the arena for Fenrir Prime. After that, if you lose, you keep the key item. If you win, you can get a new bauble without collecting any more whispers if you talk to the Taru NPC for the quest again (can only do this 24 RL hours after you received your reward for defeating Fenrir Prime previously, however).


Icemage

[Likibiki]

Re: Fenrir Prime. I'm Confused.

The problem with Fenrir is that he hits like a truck and as fast as a ferrari.

2x THF/NIN can tank him ok if they have a Bard for Dark Carol... otherwise it's very dangerous to stand in range of Howling Moon unless you have a lot of +DRK gear equipped.

That's why people use 5x SMN (70+, not 75) because it's just so, so easy. Unless the person you're doing it for decides to enfeeble and nuke Fenrir and screws up the hate list, that is... if you do Fenrir with 5 Summoners, do NOTHING. Honestly, we have the MP to cover the fight, we don't need refresh (unless it's Galka or maybe Elvaan) and you'll probably end up getting yourself killed in the process.

/rant off.

Yes, you need the Whispers from all 6 terrestrial avi's (Ifrit, Shiva, Garuda, Ramuh, Leviathan, Titan), then get a Moon Bauble (you lose the whispers when you get this).

You don't need 6 more whispers to get another bauble though, you just need to wait for JP Midnight to pass.

(I know it's been said but I just thought I'd confirm this as I'm a SMN myself)

[Kirsteena]

Re: Fenrir Prime. I'm Confused.

The way we do it is 4x smn, 1 rdm, and the leech (whoever needs it). As the rdm I stand by the entrance, or at least round the corner, and refresh the smn as they come to me, generally while they are waiting for bp timer to be up. No see me, no come hurt!

The group I do this with have this to a fine art now, but it can still go very wrong.

Another problem with Fenrir is his Lunar Cry (I think) move - strips every single buff you have, with a HUGE range. Ever lost 16 buffs at once?

A single rdm/nin soloing Fen is VERY impressive...

[Likibiki]

Re: Fenrir Prime. I'm Confused.

And I'd have to say very unlikely because he spams Eclipse Bite (3 shadows), Lunar Cry (every buff removed), Crescent Fang (damage and strong paralyze), Moonlit Charge (damage and blind) and Ecliptic Howl/Growl (stat boosts for him and acc/eva down for you).

After he 2 hours he has almost unlimited TP, and uses these moves at will... every 4-5 seconds it seems.

Unless I see a video of someone doing this, I don't believe it for a second. I've seen him tear a 75 PLD apart in 4-5 hits so a paper-thin RDM after Lunar Cry?

Nah, not gonna happen.