This is impossible!

[rx105]

I think SE upped the difficulty of the avatar lv20 battles.
I read everything that the net has to offer about it, watched the vids, lvled my skill to 63, used all the potions/drinks/food, fought on weak days, and I can't beat any one of them...
The biggest problem is that carby dies way too fast. It dies before the recast timer is up.
When I get hate, i let carby hit it and the avatar turns to it. But when I try to run away, the avatar decides to run after me!
Also, my searing light does only 104dmg about 80% of the time. I thought the smn skill is supposed to reduce the resist rate? Honestly, i rarely see 210 dmg.
The avatars seems to do its 2hour right after or during the searing light, and carby dies as soon as it get hit. Then I can't run far enough to recast.
What am I doing wrong?
currently 0/10

[Rain_Blade]

Re: This is impossible!

I think SE upped the difficulty of the avatar lv20 battles.
I read everything that the net has to offer about it, watched the vids, lvled my skill to 63, used all the potions/drinks/food, fought on weak days, and I can't beat any one of them...
The biggest problem is that carby dies way too fast. It dies before the recast timer is up.
When I get hate, i let carby hit it and the avatar turns to it. But when I try to run away, the avatar decides to run after me!
Also, my searing light does only 104dmg about 80% of the time. I thought the smn skill is supposed to reduce the resist rate? Honestly, i rarely see 210 dmg.
The avatars seems to do its 2hour right after or during the searing light, and carby dies as soon as it get hit. Then I can't run far enough to recast.
What am I doing wrong?
currently 0/10

Hmm. You DO have your smn magic capped so SL shouldn't be resisted a lot. Also, the avatar might go after you a lot because you "Assault" it. Don't do that. Let Carbuncle walk to the avatar on its own and hit it.

Items I suggest:

Hi-potions (2-3)
Ethers (3-4)
Boiled Crab or Steamed Crab (HQ form)
Yag Drink (1-2)

Buffs that YOU can use and still win:

Protect
Aquaviel
Bar-(element of the monster you're fighting) Note: You may not have a few at te capped level.

Buffs that OTHERS can use on you and make your chances of winning better:

Protect #
Shell #
Stoneskin (from Earthen Ward - Titan)
Blink ( from Aerial Armor - Garuda)
Evoker's Roll (from a Corsair) I think this lasts 5 minutes. Most people beat the avatar fights less than 5 minutes or maybe less than 6 minutes, but the time limit is 15 minutes I believe.
Ballad I don't know how long these lasts.

Note: You can win without these.

Equips:

Use decent equips. You're weapon should most definitly be Hermit's Wand because it has a 25% spell interruption which is good. NON-necessary equips, but useful, are Physical Earrings. They convert a few mp to hp. It sounds crazy, but it's not. In this case, you need hp. For avatar fights, you need at least 40 mp (not 44) to use Searing Light. So, some mp you really don't need, so why not convert it into hp? ^^

Sub Jobs:

For avatars fights, you could use whm, but you can use another sub job. Make sure it has enough mp though. You just wouldn't have Protect, Aquaviel, and Bar-(element) if you didn't sub whm; though, someone else can cast Bar-(element) or Protect.



Plan:

When you get transported, use your boiled crab, protect, aquaviel, and bar-element, but you would probably only do that if you care about breaking a record and don't want to cast that stuff inside the match. Also, cast Bar-paralyzra if you're fighting Ramuh. Ramuh is capable of paralyzing you AND carbuncle and you will not like that. Anyway, there's a certain part of the place where you stop to use a Yag drink, summon Carby, and the avatar will aggro to the magic and come to you. Do not Assault because you'll get hate. Use Searing Light (if you're fighting Garuda, let carby hit her until her shadows are off). When carby jumps up into the air, run.

Note: If you're fighting Leviathan and if he is about to use Tail Whip when he comes up to you, run back a bit so you'll be a bit too far to get hit by the spell and go back to him and use Searing Light.

Go ALL the way down. Use ethers (use hi potions if you have been hit). As soon as Carby dies, cast Carby. When the avatar comes, use Searing Light and run all the way up. Use ethers and hi-potions if necessary. When Carby dies, cast him. When the avatar comes up, use Searing Light. The avatar should be dead. If the avatar has a little bit of mp left, cast Banish and/or use Carby to melee the avatar a bit.

Note: Sometimes the avatr might use it's 2 hour on you when you cast Carby the 3rd time.

Note2: If you messed up badly at some point, give up. I'm not joking. You will save money if you give up because you can use your leftover items for a next battle.

Note3: Don't forget to wait 2 hours after every battle. If you beat an avatar battle and go straight to another in like 5 minutes, you will not win because your Astral Flow isn't ready.

Note4: If you lose an avatar battle, I think you have to wait 12 or 24 hours to fight that same avatar again.

I hope this is useful. ^^

[rx105]

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Thank you for the reply!
I finally got Garuda, but with a lot of luck.

1. 2/3 of the SL landed
2. Garuda did not use 2hour for some reason.

Everything is capped, and used all necessary items/equipment.
Why does it feel like my equipment affects carby? When I equip compound eye circlet, light soleas, and scentless armlets, the avatar started to miss a lot on carby. I'm gonna see if holds true for the other battles.

I guess the key to these battles is how much SL is resisted, and the timing of the avatar's 2hour. If carby gets wiped out the second you call it, you are pretty much dead. Unless you are lucky enough to live for 30 sec and successfully cast carby. Currently I've used 200K in medicines, and about to go broke.

[Asir]

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Congratulations on getting Garuda! I think I was 1/15 on the mini battles on my former taru and I only managed to get one because a party doing a later SMN quest (I think AF) took pity on me and brought me into their party for one of the Shiva battles.

Let us all know if your equipment idea holds true for all the mini battles. If it does, then it might be a good idea to suggest these in one of the Mini Avatar battle guides.

[Ningen]

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Smn skill or your equip doesn't affect avatars. The only equips that affects it are the ones that say so, like AF. Smn skill ONLY affect interruption rate and spirit recast time, it won't help you to land SL unresisted.
The only thing that can help you with SL is going in Lightday or the day when the avatar is weak.

[eticket109]

Re: This is impossible!

Smn skill or your equip doesn't affect avatars. The only equips that affects it are the ones that say so, like AF. Smn skill ONLY affect interruption rate and spirit recast time, it won't help you to land SL unresisted.
The only thing that can help you with SL is going in Lightday or the day when the avatar is weak.

If I recall, it's never been officially announced what summoning magic does.

[Sabaron]

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I finally got Garuda, but with a lot of luck.

Garuda, as far as my experience doing 20-caps, was one of the toughest. She attacks quite quickly compared to the other avatars and does blow carbuncle away quite effectively. If I remember correctly, I ate the most Hi-Potions on her of any of my successful avatar battles. I lost matches to Titan and to Leviathan, but the first loss was due to lack of Physical Earrings and my Barstone fell during his 2hr, and Leviathan because no one was in Norg to buff me and I went in with just a measly Protect and Barwater.

[LadyKiKi]

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In my opinion, the true difficulty of the battles is only reflected by the amount of people who said it was hard. I only struggled on Ramuh, the rest just followed to die. After a bit of research and following guides, I didn't find them hard at all (first try = dead, but that's because it's my first time, like any other).

One question, are you a taru? I've known a few tarutaru friends who struggled with the fight due to their HP.

The biggest problem is that carby dies way too fast. It dies before the recast timer is up.

How is that possible? Carbuncle may be weak but not a BIG pushover, I mean those deaths must've happened really fast, as in, a Tier II spell or an ability/pact performed by the avatar hit Carbuncle.

Just advanced preparation, practice and determination will get you through the fights. Make sure you start summoning after about 2 seconds you stop running, otherwise it will interrupt regardless whether you are having a beating or not.

[Xylaa]

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These fights are not impossible, in my experience equipment is very important. I fought them all on my mule, and I lost to Titan 4 times using shitty gear. I went and bought the best gear I could get for these fights (not exceeding 150k) and I beat all 6 in 1 day.

If you don't have the following pieces of equipment, stop and get them:

Hermit's wand
Compound eye circlet
Physical earrings
Scentless armlets
+vit rings
Heki Obi +1
Light soleas

And personally I'd also get:

Bloodbead amulet
Doublet +1
Cotton cape +1
Baron's slops



On my server these cost me no more than 150K, excluding Baron's slops as I already had those. Could use Linen Slops +1 instead, just get as much def, eva, and HP as you can. MP doesn't matter in these fights. Good luck getting the rest of them!

[Kazuki]

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If I recall, it's never been officially announced what summoning magic does.

SE has said it affects casting interruption rate and the interval between spirit casts. There's no reason to believe there's an effect beyond those two, and tests done by players haven't shown anything more...

On topic, these fights are mostly about getting used to the routine. It seems simple at first, but it's a little different in practice since there are many variable details to the fight. After that, it takes a bit of luck. Sometimes, you will lose no matter what.

[Kitalrez]

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Actually, if you sneak closer to the avatar and watch, you'll see how they're killing Carby off so fast. I had this problem with Ifrit alot. What the avatar is doing is building up TP enough to do a lvl 2 elemental nuke on Carbuncle shortly after he takes aggro from you. This will typically happen when the last move the avatar does is followed by a min or two of them just beating each other til Carbuncle's hp is exhausted, then the avatar charges after you with around 70+ TP. There are two things you can do yourself to help with this:

1. Bring along a lot of hi-pots, since you're going to get beat on while he's down.

2. Mix it up a little by occasionally sneaking close enough to see what move the avatar is doing on Carbuncle. When you see him use a move that doesn't kill off Carby, run back to safe distance and immediately release and resummon. This way you're sure the avatar doesn't have enough TP leftover to do another move shortly after. (Unless they're near 50% hp remaining, all bets are off if they hit the 50%-2hr mark here). The most successful strategies I ended up winning with all involved me messing around with the avatar's TP gain momentum until I got into a cycle I could deal with.

There's a lot more risk involved in learning this method, but once you start getting a feel for it, it becomes much easier to avoid those nasty surprises.

[trevorevor=1]

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very good stratgy rain blade im coming close to the the lv-20 avy fights too....so thanks for the help

[rx105]

Re: This is impossible!

Got pretty much all of them EXCEPT Ifrit.
Something is wrong with that one. My third SL ALWAYS gets cancelled out for some reason. Like "Carbuncle readies Searing Light", cast effect comes on, and then nothing. Its the last hit so just stand there waiting for the finishing blow and nothing. 0/6 on this guy. My astral flow is still active during all this. So I try to kill him with my club and carby, then it starts spamming FireII like every other attack, and I die. Why would SL just cancel out like that?
Im gonna go with like 30 hi-potions next time. /sigh

[Reldin]

Re: This is impossible!

Searing light fails if you dont have at least 44 MP for it.

[rx105]

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yeah, I had yag drink up, used an ether, made sure I had 50+ mp, and then hit the SL macro. Stood there to see carby get his SL ready while I was getting smacked by Ifrit. Then nothing. Still had 50+ mp left, so I tried to banish it, club it, used up my 7 hi-potions, but killed me. Ifrit probably had about 50hp left.