Guys i love being a summoner but i might play as another job till summoner gets a fix

[Lleo]

Re: Guys i love being a summoner but i might play as another job till summoner gets a

But the idea of Soloing it to 27?! How does that work out, Id love to hear more on how to do that.

Not very hard, but it will take some time. Up to level 20 I killed lots of easy prey mobs. Not good EXP, but better than an bad party in the dunes. After doing the mini avatar battles I went to Korroloka Tunnel and did worms to 25. Since worms are always bound, can you attack them with Carbuncle while you stand out of their reach. Just resummon and attack again when Carbuncle dies. You may need some MP+ food and juice to have enough MP to take out the tougher ones. After level 25 I did tier 3 Orcs in Yughott Grotto and Fort Ghelsba (easy to zone if they link), but EXP was getting very slow. So slow that my Empress Band would wear because of time. After that I started seeking for parties.

[Slayerxox]

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Currently I'm a Lv 69 Summoner. Yes I usually am Main heal, but I accept that, We were in previous FF for more of the time anyways, but I digress.

I have to say it really comes down to the tanks people. Recently I had a PLD tank in Caederva Mire and wow; I was shocked of what I was capable of doing. The PLD had a constant MP to heal himself at the start of the fights. So I could Fenrir > Eclipse Bite > cure a bit with some status removals > Diabolos > Nether Blast. It felt great because during the period in which I was summoning, the Red mage would pick up a bit and the PLD would know "Ok I have to heal myself at this point"

SMN can work great as a DD and a healer in parties. And if people are doubting how I sustained the MP, well As long as you have enough HMP+ you can recover 100+ inbetween pulls and a few seconds into the fight. With a good tank, he should not go into some kind of red alert unless he got links.

All-in-all, I love SMN, now I'm 1 LVL away from Lv70 BPs. Then the fun begins :3

[framerate]

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You guys realize how long we've waited for an "overhaul". It's not going to happen. We'll most likely see a few tweaks as time goes on. But I bet that NIN's will always be the unexpected tank and SMN will always be the unexpected healer. And you know what? I'm cool with that

[Vaigrant]

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You guys realize how long we've waited for an "overhaul". It's not going to happen. We'll most likely see a few tweaks as time goes on. But I bet that NIN's will always be the unexpected tank and SMN will always be the unexpected healer. And you know what? I'm cool with that

I for one hope that will change, I dont like NIN Tanks personally PLD will awlays be my first choice. And Id always rather have a WHM or RDM for a Healer than a SMN due to the fact SMN's dont have a Natural skill in it so its always "Half @$$ed"

[framerate]

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I for one hope that will change, I dont like NIN Tanks personally PLD will awlays be my first choice. And Id always rather have a WHM or RDM for a Healer than a SMN due to the fact SMN's dont have a Natural skill in it so its always "Half @$$ed"

<-- SMN68. I LOVE parties where I can just DD. So I didn't say I didn't want it to change; I just know a bad bet when I see it

Besides, by lvl 68 I'm SO ingrained with healing that even when I am DD I find myself freaking out every time someone goes red.

[Vaigrant]

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<-- SMN68. I LOVE parties where I can just DD. So I didn't say I didn't want it to change; I just know a bad bet when I see it

Besides, by lvl 68 I'm SO ingrained with healing that even when I am DD I find myself freaking out every time someone goes red.

Oh I can feel ya man, I got healing ingrained into my RDM DNA as well lol. But then again cause Im a Redmage Ive had to learn to change play styles for various reasons and Im always willing ot experiment and go against the "Tried and True"

SMN doesnt wanna be main heal in a PT I make, thats fine by me, have fun. Course in my favorite set up its RDM, WHM, BLM, PLD, THF, BRD lol. Ive never had that set up though.

[KoukiRyu]

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I'd really like to get some info about the smn and bst parties too, if you could PM me how to set them up and stuff, as I'm just starting smn. My LS needs SMN's, and I needed a new main so...SMN it is >_> But as I'm just starting, if I don't like it I may just choose something else, but if you can send me that BST party info I think I'd really get into it @_@

[tazirai]

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I'd really like to get some info about the smn and bst parties too, if you could PM me how to set them up and stuff, as I'm just starting smn. My LS needs SMN's, and I needed a new main so...SMN it is >_> But as I'm just starting, if I don't like it I may just choose something else, but if you can send me that BST party info I think I'd really get into it @_@

Summoner Bst parties are easy to set up.

Also before I begin a 75 smn and 75 Bst can kill any avatar ^^.
Except dog and Batman, everyone else is fair game.. heres proof of that.
I'll be levelling BSt soon btw haha.



As for the PT set up

2+ BSt and 1+ SMN

You can use any combo actually. I like the 3 BST + 1 SMN route.

You wont even need a refresher if you dont want one. A bard or Corsair can help.

the Summoner is the Puller in this PT grouping. Since he can pull with near impunity. Any form of Monster is good monsters with hearing detection is best though. Since you wont need invisi which wears once you commit an action.

The BST will kill the monster down to about 20% HP. then the Summoner will finish it off. the other method is the Beastmasters get the enemy to 30%, the summoner goes and pulls another. The Summoner then stands by the monster being killed. Unsummons his avatar then resummons, so that the resummoned pet gets the Aggro, and then uses a BP to kill the nearly dead monster.


It's quite simple really. and like I said EXP is insane since monsters die EXTREMELY Fast in this set up.

Another good set up I recently tried is BLU/BST + BLU/BST + SMN/WHM
against colibri using the Pheodro bees as the monsters.

[framerate]

Re: Guys i love being a summoner but i might play as another job till summoner gets a fix

The finally announced the fix at the Tokyo Game show.

Summoning magic will do "something" in terms of bonuses and we're getting an "attack bp timer" and a "buff defense timer" (seperate). They said next update will have it.

Bravo SE. Well done solution. (I'm surprised no one has posted this yet.. it's been like 3 days)

[Taskmage]

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I heard about it but only as rumor from a badly translated report. I heard that you will get summoning magic skillups from using BPs and that attack and defense BPs will get seperate timers. Again prefacing my opinion with the disclaimer that my smn is level 8, this seems like a good solution to me.

[tazirai]

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Good solution But also stuck with the Perpetuation Problem.
They shoult make Perpetuation as part of SUmmoning Skill.
So that for every 60-70/75 points of Summoning Skill you subtract -1 from Perpetuation. In Essence you are learning to use your MP more efficiently and use less to maintain your Avatar.

[SharMarali]

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OK, I posted the idea several months ago about putting defensive and offensive BPs on seperate timers. Maybe SE is reading this or maybe someone is reading this and sending my ideas to SE.

I'm sure that's NOT the case, but just in case it is... HEY SE, MAYBE YOU COULD GIVE US A JA THAT WOULD TEMPORARILY DECREASE PERPETUATION COST BY 50% SO WE COULD ACTUALLY GET TP FOR OUR PET.

I know they don't want to upset the overall balance by permanently decreasing perpetuation cost and making us completely overpowered but come ON... A 5 or 10 minute JA that would cut perpetuation cost in half for a minute or so would NOT create major balance issues, but it would SURE be useful for us.

The way I'd see it working is that the 50% reduction would be off BASE perpetuation cost - So any gear you have that decreases perpetuation wouldn't be included in the reduction. In other words... The base cost at 75 for celestial "prime" avatars is 12 or 13, depending on whether you count autorefresh as a "reduction" in perpetuation cost, since it's not exactly something we could switch off even if we wanted to. With various equipment, you can lower the perpetuation cost significantly. My cost for them is 6 at present with yinyang robe, evoker's ring, HQ elemental staff, and evoker's pigaches +1. The JA would take 50% off the BASE cost, reducing perpetuation cost to 6 or 7 for one minute. With the equipment setup that I presently have, that would reduce them to... Free, or 1 MP/tick for one minute. I can envision a whole WORLD of situations where I'd want to use that.

So how bout it SE? We don't HAVE any JA's. How about giving us... One?

[framerate]

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From today's POL:

Powerful mages with the ability to use their mana to call forth mighty avatars.
Changes regarding summoning magic skill:
1. Blood Pact recast time will now be based on the type of special attack used--healing/enhancing or damage dealing.
2. Summoning magic skill may increase not only when summoning an avatar, but also while using Blood Pact.
3. Blood Pact special attack bonuses may be earned while equipping items that give summoning skill bonuses.
Please look forward to seeing these changes in the next version update!

[pyromaniac]

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Also before I begin a 75 smn and 75 Bst can kill any avatar ^^.

Actually a 75SMN can solo all the avatars trust me ive done it to much ;;;;; /cry But Free 10k^^

[Gobo]

Re: Guys i love being a summoner but i might play as another job till summoner gets a fix

With the update comming next month, time to blue mark Summoning magic.

249.4+35 (with +Summoning magic gear aka Torque, Earring, Evk Ring, Smn Brcr, Evk Horn).
Guess I'll be hanging out in The Garden of Ru'Hmet for a while now (my favorite Smn magic skill up place)