Cerberus or Diablos

[Tirrock]

Re: Cerberus or Diablos

They don't have the Rare flag on them, so I'd suppose you could. Still... I don't think 20MP would be more useful than being able to cure yourself and others, not to mention that at level 20, you probably get close to 20MP from your subjob anyway. And once you get AF1 staff (or the level 40 JSE staff, himmel stock), you can get more MP from that than those daggers. And it becomes a no-brainer for exp once you're 51 on what weapons to use.

[CrazyGeorge]

Re: Cerberus or Diablos

Ok il dump the dual wielding idea ok. Maybe il rotate between SMN/RDM and SAM/DRG. Also a good combo would be SMN/BLM when the expansion comes. Summoner using enemy spells......maybe. Il just trying mixing some jobs until i get some good combinations. Phoenix bad ONLY if it can phoenix down the whole party as that would be just sad and not fun. Also does anyone have an xbox 360?

[Gwynn]

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Valefore was air based i think and earth. he was the eagle and the first summon in ffx. Ixion was the thunder one and i think it could be an upgrade either to get ramuh on ixion horseback or to merge them to make ramuh centaur. could work. You think?

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Is it possible to immigrate from worlds and back cos i heard rumours it is?

-_- I am opposed to you and everything you stand for...

You don't... make Ramuh... a centaur! Ramuh is a wizard, nuff said.

Edit: Oh, and you're not going to get very far at all SMN/RDM. You should really go SMN/WHM, as you'll be expected to main heal for a good deal of the time. SAM/DRG is alright 20-30, and situationally 70+, but SAM/WAR and later SAM/THF are going to be your friends.

[CrazyGeorge]

Re: Cerberus or Diablos

First of all about me being a WHM it is a definate NO. I am a clan leader not a poxy healer. I will be a warrior class with the summoner of else I will be too weak for melee battles. I chose RDM as an all-around class which can wield sword and shield. Ramuh Centaur wouldn't be that bad..............

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Also i suggest you make a warrior job and not BLM as you have high enough RDM. Maybe try SMN or even SAM either could work with RDM

[Tirrock]

Re: Cerberus or Diablos

The first successful HNM linkshell on Midgardsormr was lead by a WHM. He opened the gates for NA's on our server to compete against what was once a JP-only area of the game. He taught tactics to other HNM shells and developed and taught dynamis tactics, that our linkshell used (the base idea of) for a very very long time.

Anyway... The reason SMN/WHM is prefered is that there is more to healing than just curing. Status removal spells are important too. A SMN/RDM might get by, but I can't say that I've ever seen one seeking or partied with one before, and I'm an exp-freak.

This game is huge on cookie-cutter jobs. That might change with BLU, PUP, and COR, (at least for those jobs) but I don't know.

[Silversky]

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i have seen SMN/RDM, rare as it may seem, and while it does still work, guess what they'll still be doing...healing! thats right, as of now, the difference between SMN/WHM and SMN/RDM is really nothing, since you wont be using the melee or black magic skills or rdm as a sub, so its really not worth it. i mean i dont entirely agree with the idea that SMN's are just curetanks until 70, as SE has changed them a little bit to make them more versatile, and has given the impression that they will continueto change them after the expansion, but as of now, regardless of whatever role you'd like to fill in a party, your probably going to HAVE to sub whm to smn...even if you still plan to be a damage dealing summoner, in which case you'll still probably be healing a whole lot.


im not sure if you know this, but you can still get the same effect of having a summoner and a samuri because you can switch jobs on the same character. so you can raise your summoner and samuri on one guy and it'll have almost the same coolness effect that your looking for. they dont have to be subs of each other or anything. i dont know if this is the same thing, but i know im replacing my initial hope of playing a BLM/SMN and SMN/BLM with BLM/WHM and SMN/WHM. that way im still doing both of what I want.

[Darkhound]

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A very good friend of mine, is a SMN/RDM and i honestly think it is a gimped SMN. he refused to level whm just because he hated it and I truly belive that this is a gimped summoner because of that. He lacks to listen to ther linkshells advice and needs for a /WHM... so sad

[Rodin]

Re: Cerberus or Diablos

I think they'd give Samurai Gil Toss before they gave Summoners Yojimbo

That's called Ranger. >.>

I'd love to see Phoenix as an avatar with Reraisega blood pacts. And Raise bloodpacts. Would make it a lot more desirable to have SMNs in parties. Also, Phoenix is the avatar of life, right? It would only make sense.

[Nightmare]

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im getting it for 360 i think im gonna be smn/rdm and i would rather have cerberus

[Omniblast]

Re: Cerberus or Diablos

im getting it for 360 i think im gonna be smn/rdm and i would rather have cerberus

Why do you bother to even post that? How more useful is a /rdm compared to a /whm?

Will you have erase? Will you have Poisona, paralyna? Do you expect to land gravity on anything? Are you expected to sleep anything? Do you realize that if you tried to sleep something, and if your avatar is out, and the mob doesn't sleep, it will come after you, hitting you, then your avatar would try to fight and engage it, thus your sleep will get broken by your avatar? Seriously... what do you hope to accomplish with /rdm sub except for trying to solo?

Most end game linkshells want /whm for smn main, so don't expect anything else. It is also looking doubtful with all the additions that are comming in from PUP, COR & BLU as alternatives.

Oh and btw, /thf wins for soloing. Sneak Attack + Spirit Taker = win.

[Tirrock]

Re: Cerberus or Diablos

Oh and btw, /thf wins for soloing. Sneak Attack + Spirit Taker = win.

Quoted for truth.

/THF is hands down one of the best solo subjobs for SMN. I've had a few cases where /WHM was better for me (things with heavy AoE), but usually /THF beats it.

Off-topic: I see that you switched back to your old, distracting sig, Omniblast. Not that I'm complaining.

[Darkhound]

Re: Cerberus or Diablos

After a long dicussion with my SMN/RDM friendn.. he was just not listening. He said he is not a healer and he wants to stay away from healing.....

What are your ideas on this?
Does neglecting healing is that bad?

WEll guys IMO. its upt to each player how they want to be on a SMN.... I think most of us had to give in into healing many many times..

Any comments...

[framerate]

Re: Cerberus or Diablos

Wow this thread has like 400 topics going on in it

[Tirrock]

Re: Cerberus or Diablos

Looks like Cerberus is an HNM. That or we're hacking up our pet's body to eat/use as weapons and jewelry.

[Kittyneko]

Re: Cerberus or Diablos

Cerberus Bow [Bow]
DMG:72 Delay:600 AGI+2 ≺Element: Fire≻+13 ≺Element: Dark≻+13
Lvl. 75 WAR, PLD, DRK, RNG, SAM

Cerberus Bow +1 [Bow]
DMG:73 Delay:582 AGI+4 ≺Element: Fire≻+14 ≺Element: Dark≻+14
Ranged Attack+24
Lvl. 75 WAR, PLD, DRK, RNG, SAM

Cerberus Ring
DEF:3 ≺Element: Fire≻+5 Attack+3
Ranged Attack+4
Lvl. 75 All

Cerberus Ring +1
DEF:4 ≺Element: Fire≻+6 Attack+4
Ranged Attack+5
Lvl. 75 All

Cerberus Claw
A claw from one of Cerberus's paws.
All who gaze upon it are filled with
a sense of dread.

Cerberus Hide
The hide of the great beast Cerberus.
All who gaze upon it are filled with
a sense of dread.

Cerber. Leather
Made from the hide of the great
beast Cerberus, this leather gives
off a faint amount of heat.

New items involving Cerberus. I don't think Cerberus as Avatar is gonna trade you "Cerberus Hide," "Cerberus Claw" or "Cerberus Leather." Lol