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  • #16
    Re: Cerberus or Diablos

    I dont see Cerberus being stronger than bahamut.... but I could be wrong. As for Phoenix, i think its the most wanted avatgar for the longest time. I see him comming very very soon.

    Alexander, would be very nice but it just wont happen! I dont know if phoenix will be added in this update, but he will be here in the game eventually

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    • #17
      Re: Cerberus or Diablos

      On the end of the trailer it shows a possible new summon.. Is that Odin? Possible, no wings, couldn't see if he was on a horse though.

      Currently, the trend is for summoners to only call out their avatars to use a blood pact ability, but we want to create something that will encourage summoners to keep their avatars out for longer periods of time. Also, we will adjust the abilities that avatars use so that they are based on the summoner's summoning skill. We have no plans to add Bahamut as an avatar, because we would like to preserve his powerful image. We would have to make him weaker if he became a player's avatar, and we do not want to do that. We are thinking about new avatars for Treasures of Aht Urhgan, however, so stay tuned.
      Double Post Edited:
      Originally posted by Darkhound
      Alexander, would be very nice but it just wont happen! I dont know if phoenix will be added in this update, but he will be here in the game eventually
      How can you be so sure, you're a developper? lol
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      • #18
        Re: Cerberus or Diablos

        Nope would keep Diablos.

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        • #19
          Re: Cerberus or Diablos

          Quetzacolatl and siren i would die for they were my favorit in ff8 but i would want Quetzacolatl more since it is mainly lighting based and it has wings i dont want sum old dude rep lighting old is weak wings are awsome
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          • #20
            Re: Cerberus or Diablos

            I think siren would be nice because, correct me if im wrong, but there isnt a strong enfeebling-based summon in FFXI, and other than doomtrain, siren fits the bill, somewhat. i would make her either a non-element summon, or light-based.


            Phoenix is who I personally want ideally, because phoenix was my favorite summon in every ff game. Fire or Light based (or both), most likely, with the 2hr casting re-raise on all live pt members, and raising all dead ones (with no xp penalty or weakness) as well as dealing decent amount of damage (not much as other avatars 2hrs, but something substantial). if this seems to overpowered, get rid of the reraise on all live pt members. that way you could use it as a "this enemy was a little too hard and killed off most of the party members but we can still finish it off for xp" mob, but this way those who died will still get the xp for it (i know you've all pulled a mob like this at some point in your ffxi careers).

            I think odin would be a workable summon. i mean ive heard people who say that it wouldnt make sense because odins known for his instant kill move, which you most certainly couldnt have in this game, but still, make him a non-element summon with other moves, or stick with the odin idea from ff8 and make it so every time you engage an enemy, theres a small chance odin will appear and do some amount of damage (of course, you would have to make it so once you engage an enemy, odin cannot appear for 30 minutes after on the same target, that way people won't constantly engage and disengage to get odin to appear). i think this would be pretty cool. for an added bonus, if you've got astral flow working and he appears, he does even more damage and a cooler effect.

            ive never thought alexander would work...if you want another light summon, go with phoenix. even if they did scale alexander down to normal avatar size, he just doesnt really fit in the ffxi world, as someone said.

            cant come up with anything else right now.

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            • #21
              Re: Cerberus or Diablos

              Alexander - They could tweak Alexander's size/appearence to incorporate him into the game. Yes, he always has been a huge machine that resembles a castle, but you don't always have to go with whats been done before. I'll admit, Alexander seems slightly more unlikely than some others, but I think its a little too brash to rule him out entirely. After all, this game, in my eyes, could use a more powerful Light elemental summon, and I can't think of any other Light elemental summon they could incorporate.

              Cerberus - He seems to be a boss of sorts right now, but its possible he may be a summon either right at the release of the expansion or released with an update later. We'll just have to wait and see. I have no idea as to what sorts of BPs he'd have, as Double and Triple would be just a tad bit difficult to work into the game.

              Phoenix - Phoenix, in my opinion, seems to be a likely candidate for an eventual summon. Two hour would be very interesting, but I can't think of any specific blood pacts that Phoenix might get... possibly a healing AoE, but that might be a tad redundant with already having three. Phoenix also strikes me as being a Fire-elemental rather than a light elemental, but that could be my desire for Alexander popping up...

              Siren - Having an enfeebling-oriented Avatar would interesting, but unless they change either the current Blood Pact timer set up, or make Siren's enfeebles strong enough to warrant spending 1 minute on I don't see it being all that useful.

              Doomtrain - Doomtrain was also present as a Boss in FFVI, and as a special Boss in the GBA re-release of FFI. Diabolos, to my knowledge, was only in FFVIII. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think Doomtrain is likely at all... your reasons for ruling him out just seem a little flawed.

              Odin - I cannot express just how much I want Odin. Horse or no horse, doesn't matter. >.> I don't really have a specific reason, but whatever.

              I don't see a reason for there to be two avatars of every element, though... it would get a tad redundant in my eyes.
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              • #22
                Re: Cerberus or Diablos

                Thanks for your post, it is very objective! Now to some comments....

                Well, it would be redutant to have 2 avatar per element, but we already have....

                Diabolos and Fenrir they are both dark avatars arent they? They have their own specific roles and thye are good at what they do.

                The actualy blood pacts are not that useful in edngame. Except fo the level 70's , SS and Aerial armor, and Fenrirs buffs, the rest are pretty much never used. Having new avatar with stronger blood pacts would be very very interesting.

                Phoenix, couldd have AoE refresh, AoE rereaise that would like lets say 10 mins? Who knows. We might end up having Phoenix, odin... or we might end up having something else. The fact is that I am pretty sure we will get new avatars. SE has said so.

                I personally dont think having avatars of the same element is bad.

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                • #23
                  Re: Cerberus or Diablos

                  if Cerberus was a Getable Avatar later his 2hour might be a Super haste ... sense in FF8 when u summon him he grants the party with 3 turns each.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Cerberus or Diablos

                    Well, I simply love how everyone gives their opinion when it comes to new avatars. I still remember people saying that Diabolos was never going to happen etc etc, and well, there he is now. I guess we cant be 100% sure of that. The only thing that looks like final is Bahamut not being summonalbe at all, since SE said so themselves.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Cerberus or Diablos

                      Originally posted by Darkhound
                      Well, I simply love how everyone gives their opinion when it comes to new avatars. I still remember people saying that Diabolos was never going to happen etc etc, and well, there he is now. I guess we cant be 100% sure of that. The only thing that looks like final is Bahamut not being summonalbe at all, since SE said so themselves.

                      aint that a fact

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                      • #26
                        Re: Cerberus or Diablos

                        The reason for Bahamut not being a summonable is a very good one...just look at the guy. Making him fun sized would be a crime to his awesome power.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Cerberus or Diablos

                          Im thinking maybe some summons will be a surprise

                          like maybe YoJimbo?

                          Blood Pacts are based on how much you pay him.

                          This would be good and do NOT say its not possible, as Diablos was in 1 FF game and he still made it as a summon.

                          Also

                          Maybe the Magus Sisters.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Cerberus or Diablos

                            Yojimbo wouldn't work because if he became more powerful the more gil you paid him, SMN's would start getting kicked from pt's for being cheap. Not saying they ARE cheap, but I can just see this...

                            Yojimbo uses "Insert sick, uber damage BP here"
                            The Goblin Mercenary takes 12 dmg

                            ~Kick summoner~

                            /tell Summoner "Go farm you cheap noob."

                            /blacklist Asshole-PT-Leader

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                            • #29
                              Re: Cerberus or Diablos

                              i would make her either a non-element summon
                              She'd have to have an element subtype. Everything in this game is elemental-based.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Cerberus or Diablos

                                Yeah, Yojimbo seems highly unlikely to me. I think they'd give Samurai Gil Toss before they gave Summoners Yojimbo. Magus Sisters are equally unlikely to me... I mean, having three avatars out at once is kinda bordering on munchy.
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