Explicit information on 5smn tactics for fenrir needed =)

[Yoko]

Alright, ive been searching throguh the forums, found some info but nothing regarding the actual tactics for fenrir fight with 5 smn and a leecher (i only found posts regarding the setup, not the actual fight)

So, if anyone would be kind enough to share the tactics that 5 smn 75 should use vs fenrir, i would be most grateful! The summoners that will come to help me out probably know what they have to do, but i just want to make sure, so id like to know the fight strategy. I am usually always leader in my parties, and always am relied upon to steer everyone, so im liek that, i have to know whats going on, just in case anything turns bad, or just to give everyone a reminder of the battle plan, in case everyone isn't on the same line of thought lol

Anything would be appreciated, thanks!

[Omniblast]

Re: Explicit information on 5smn tactics for fenrir needed =)

Leviathan, fight, Spinning Dive, Leviathan, fight, Spinning Dive, 50% hp run away, Leviathan, fight, Spinning Dive, Leviathan, fight, Spinning Dive, Leviathan, fight, Spinning Dive.

That'll be 200k please. Thanks.

[Darkhound]

Re: Explicit information on 5smn tactics for fenrir needed =)

Onmi... have you tried doing with with 5 diabolos now? I wonder if it work, doubt it since they are both dark based.

[Yoko]

Re: Explicit information on 5smn tactics for fenrir needed =)

lol, alright, although its quite simple i couldnt find somehow which ability they spammed. As for the hate when you do a BP, is it enough to pull the hate towards the smns at any given time? Near the end, Do the levis get owned pretty fast? I heard fenrir spams a high dmg ability, it is then that the BP made hate come into play? Or i am simply worrying too much about this and the smns usually dont have much of a problem? lol

[Jei]

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diablos is dark base. i wouldn't trust fenrir to it xD

[Gobo]

Re: Explicit information on 5smn tactics for fenrir needed =)

Onmi... have you tried doing with with 5 diabolos now? I wonder if it work, doubt it since they are both dark based.

You more or less answered you own question. Also the damage from Nether Blast is less than what Leviathan's Spinning Dive can do (unless you get the weird, partial miss).

[Darkhound]

Re: Explicit information on 5smn tactics for fenrir needed =)

Well, i do want to test this with magical damange capped in merits. I will just do 1 or 2 attacs and then go back to levi!

[Omniblast]

Re: Explicit information on 5smn tactics for fenrir needed =)

It seems to me, that all the merits are more or less BROKEN. Any amount of points put into any of the merits almost seems worthless IMO. Well except for Element Spirit perpetuation. But I wouldn't send a spirit vs. Fenrir he'd eat spirits for lunch.

As for specific questions for this, all Summoners need to share the hate, DON'T cast any spells or use any abilities near Fenrir, keep away at all times, Sometimes fenrir may run away towards the summoner that just used Levi last and try to kill him, then the rest of the summoner's need to put hate onto their avatars as fast as possible so that the risk of a smn dying is very little. I did this with 6 smn once, and as well as with 3 smn once. The 3 smn battle was very dangerous and I died & lost 2 times, 3rd time we won. If any of the smn decide to 2hr, they 2hr ONLY to keep out levi for free and refresh mp with yag drinks.

Leviathan is a tried and true method of winning, I wouldn't want to use Diabolos because it's a waste of time & I hate wasting time, but yet I have wasted over 300 days of playing ffxi sooooo umm yeah.

[Darkhound]

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On a side note... since my return to the game, I havent fought diabolos after I got him.... does he drop stuff like fenrir? If so, what are the items!?

[Gobo]

Re: Explicit information on 5smn tactics for fenrir needed =)

umm mostly crap. 15k gil, a torque, a staff, a ring and an earring.

Diabolos's Earring
Accuracy +3
Dark Weather: Accuracy -3
Dark Weather: Magic Accuracy +2
Lvl 65 All jobs

Diabolos's Ring
Darksday: MP -15%
Darksday: Dark Magic Skill +15
Lvl 65 All jobs

Diabolos's Torque
Ranged Accuracy +8
Dark Weather: Ranged Accuracy -8
Dark Weather: Ranged Attack +8
Lvl 70 All jobs

Diabolos's Pole:
Dark Weather: Enhances Effect of 'Drain' and 'Aspir'
Additional Effect: Slow
Lvl 75 All Jobs

Pretty much gear that can work in Dynamis, and is ok outside. Earring is one of 2 earrings that increases Acc, but few people still get it.

[SharMarali]

Re: Explicit information on 5smn tactics for fenrir needed =)

To answer the original poster's various questions, first and foremost, recognize that your summoners have already done this fight dozens of times and will already know exactly what to do. If anything, expect them to go over this information with you AGAIN before going in. If you're shouting for random 70+ SMNs for help, you *might* run across maybe ONE that hasn't done the fight before, but they'll just follow the lead of the other four.

IN GENERAL, summoners only die in this fight if hate becomes uncontrollable or if they wander too close during Fenrir's 2 hour. That is NOT a hard-and-fast rule. I've done this fight more times than I'd care to try to recount, and I've died a number of times and seen a lot of other people die a number of times. It's usually due to carelessness on someone's part, but NOT always. The fact of the matter is, Fenrir is TOUGH and even having an easy method to kill him like taking in 5 SMNs, there's still a chance something can go wrong. And if anything does, he will eat someone.

That said, the odds of failure using this method are EXTREMELY low.

To walk you through what to expect:
You and your 5 escorts get to Full Moon Fountain. Two of your escorts will likely use Earthen Ward and Aerial Armor at this point. Some or all may either cast reraise or use a reraise item. Someone will cast protectraII and shellraII. You will be instructed to stand back and not to do ANYTHING. They MIGHT even tell you not to get close enough to watch, though most people will at least allow you to do that.

You sit through a ludicrously long load time for the battlefield to pop up, a fairly short cutscene with buncle and fenrir, then you're in. Depending upon the instructions you've been given, either stay at the BC entrance or run with your summoners around the bend (you'll see what I'm talking about when you get there) and STOP AT THE BEND. The summoners will go a little further in.

You will then see all five of them summon Leviathan at the same time. They'll charge in and send 5 Levis on Fenrir at once, and they'll all do a spinning dive as soon as their Levi has made a successful hit. If you are able to target Fenrir from where you're standing, you'll notice his hitpoints have ALREADY dropped by about 15%.

From here, there's a slight bit of chaos as various Leviathans take hate and are killed and resummoned, Leviathans chasing Fenrir around, Fenrir chasing Leviathans and summoners areound. You'll just have to trust that the summoners know what they're doing... Because it might not look like it at this point LOL. Basically they're keeping Leviathan out to take a massive beating in between spinning dives. They might pop some drinks or ethers or whatnot during this too.

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES BE ANYWHERE NEAR FENRIR WHEN HIS HITPOINTS DROP TO 50%.

I'll repeat that, because it's really, really important.

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTNACES BE ANYWHERE NEAR FENRIR WHEN HIS HITPOINTS DROP TO 50%.

He'll use his 2hour shortly after that.

Don't cast anything. Don't use any job abilities. Don't try to cure the summoners, even if it looks like they're going to die if you don't. If Fenrir SHOULD kill 1-2 of your summoners, the others will finish him off. If, however, you pull hate, the rest of the battle is going to be an enormous mess, even after you've died.

Summoners CANNOT force their avatars to hold hate in ANY battle, no matter how much we might want to. And Fenrir is a little funny about being quick to change hate ANYWAY. So anything you do can and WILL pull hate. Casting refresh will pull hate. Singing ballad will pull hate. Casting reraise on yourself will pull hate. Using job abilities like berzerk, focus, etc... WILL PULL HATE. And if you pull hate, there is no getting it back off of you until you're dead (which, have no fear, you will be in 2-3 hits )

Does that answer your questions?

[Yoko]

Re: Explicit information on 5smn tactics for fenrir needed =)

/praise, That is EXACTLY what i wanted to know. Thank you very much SharMarali! I know it isn't much, and that the summoners all know what they are doing, but i'm really the type who wants to know whats happening and prepare for it (buying them reraise hairpins if necessary and juices), and of course the information about not doing ANYTHING even if they are dying is crucial XD

So, hands down, thank you very much, it does answer all my questions =)

m_._m

[Kitalrez]

Re: Explicit information on 5smn tactics for fenrir needed =)

SharMarali has a good basic Fenrir strategy, and if that works for you I'd say run with it. That's basically what Silmarilion on Diabolos Server uses with a few changes. Finathlon, (who tells me he has over 172 wins v. Fenrir, and since we're the SMNLS of the server I tend to believe), makes the following changes that I observed when we did the two runs I leeched:

1. You don't absolutely need the leecher to do nothing, as SharMarali said. You can heal, and you can raise, WITH THIS CAVEAT: Don't do it in spell or even sight range of Fenrir himself, or you'll get aggro. My experience doing this twice on WHM was that I had to sit on the portal out, (with another leecher, since both times we pulled it off with 4 SMN), the SMNs went forward into the main area of the BC, and if one of them got really chewed, he'd run all the way back to me, stand next to portal, get cured, and head back into the action. I managed to whip out a few Cure Vs this way and didn't get aggro.

2. At 50%, you desperately need to get the heck out of Howling Moon range. What we generally did was wait til Fenrir was focused on avatars at around 55% hp left, have one SMN hang slightly back and signal a BP, then run to join the others, who will be falling back to the corner of the L in the battlefield to resummon. BP hits, he falls to 50%, and everyone is safely out of range. ~OR~ you can try the following: Wait until he gets ready to 2hr, and as soon as you see him ready Howling Moon have everyone punch /release. If you've ever tried this on a regular avatar, you know the horribly evil thing you've just done to him.

3. You CAN use JAs, even Astral Flow. Matter of fact, since we can only do one Fenrir Run per day, we almost always use Astral Flow to drop the perp cost to 0. The way we can get away with this is by taking advantage of aggro rules and making sure we don't pop off AF while we're still close enough to see Fenrir. It's like healing yourself while Bomb Kiting, as long as you're at max range for exp, you can do all kinds of things to yourself and not get aggro. Do the same thing for say Juices and potions, and you won't gain aggro from those either.

4. After Fenrir uses Howling Moon, we like to park Fenrir in the center of the L, and gather everyone, (even the leechers), right here. That way, if aggro bounces, we can still keep him in BP range, and if anyone dies, we can raise them and get them back in the game. When I got Fenrir, Elegua ended up dying twice here. I just R2'd him, he resummoned, and we went back to the task at hand.

5. In the event you wipe, with Fenrir parked here, no one is in the center of the BC where he returns, so time permitting you can raise everyone up again and go back to killing him without worrying about 2hr.

6. Lastly, you can go ahead and use Titan's Mountain Buster if you want. Spinning Dive may be more accurate, but we usually prefer the random Bind associated with Mountain Buster. Go with what works best for your lineup.

Hope that helps you out. I just dinged 70 SMN yesterday, so it'll very soon be my turn to learn the SMN part of this myself.

[Yoko]

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Very helpful input Kitalrez, ill suggest it to my little team ^^ Thanks!!