Another Reason To Avoid Summoner?

[xiozen]

Re: Another Reason To Avoid Summoner?

When I got Diabolos I felt like everyone else; what's the purpose? But just like others, u spend time experimenting and finding out what each ability does... and I've come to realize Diabolos is a unique avatar; to be used in specific circumstances.

Fenrir is great...no more than great, AWESOME... and I rely more on Fenrir than most other avatars for various reasons.

As far as healing... many smner's don't wanna heal... well why not.. forget I asked... Just do it. Your not a direct dmg until upwards of lvl 70... no matter what you think.. and you know it. But many just want to believe they are something else....when it's clear the job doesn't come into it's own until after lvl 70... (this was soooooo obviously intended, you'd have to be blind not to see it)

Get ur summoner past lvl 70, then while ur in experience party's feel free to DD and heal whileyour bloodpact timer is counting down... versitility baby!

[lionx]

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Disagree..SMN have good buffs and also can nuke decently until the higher 70s, so for alot of their lvls, they are lower than BLM, but higher than RDM, but can also heal a little worst off than a RDM would, yet have unique buffs. I dont see where that you are a SMN only at 70 attitude..its not all about raw damage or being gimpy WHM.

[xiozen]

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Smner's are gimped until lvl 70.. plan and simple... trying leveling it, you'll see... but I can understand the sympathetic attitude seeing that ur a whm.. ;p go figure! ^^

[lionx]

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I might try lvling SMN to see. However i would appreciate if you dont tell me how i feel about the SMN job.

[Karinya]

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Probably Xiozen leveled up SMN 6+ months ago and doesn't realize how much it has changed since then (not just the introduction of new avatars, but the adjustments to avatar accuracy, attack and blood pacts below level 70). SMN attack abilities used to be nearly useless, but they're not anymore. I've out-MB'd BLMs on several occasions - despite the fact that BLMs can improve their damage with +INT gear and SMN can't (as far as I know). BLM become insanely strong at high levels, so don't expect to keep matching them for MB damage, but for a while you can.

Fenrir and Diabolos certainly have their uses, especially in high level content like Dynamis, but I don't think they are really needed in low to medium level exp parties. Of the two, Fenrir is probably better for most situations; he's also *significantly* easier to beat.

But I wouldn't turn down a SMN for not having them, either. If there were two SMN of the same level looking, I might pick the one that has them, if I don't have any other reason to choose between them, but that's about it. I don't know about your server but it's rare to see two SMN (of similar levels) lfp at the same time on mine.

[Kalel]

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Lionx if you want a job that keeps you working for something constantly, keeps you busy and never be bored with, interesting story background, cool pets, be a great support for party than smn is for you. I can honestly say, I can never be bored with smn job because you have to quest or fight for everything for your job whether you magic (smns), equipment etc. I also recommend fighting all avatars in 60+ battles so you can use mini forks for teleports to smn crystals whenever you need to help someone fight them.
There is not alot of people who can take the constant work you have to do to be summoner. But Lionx, I think you got it in you to be a great summoner.

[tazirai]

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Smner's are gimped until lvl 70.. plan and simple... trying leveling it, you'll see... but I can understand the sympathetic attitude seeing that ur a whm.. ;p go figure! ^^

I comepletely disagree with this statement and people who make statements like this.
If everyone thinks a summoner is limited to curing and bloodpacting every 50 secs. SUCKS as a summoner and has no clue how to play the job.

I consider myself a career Summoner, basically summoner is the job i play as 95% of the time. I think I know Summoning better than most summoners. Thats not being big headed, its being unlimited in what i allow myself to do.
In a Exp situation before ANY avatars were added I got to 50+ as a Summoner with just carbuncle. Im so good with using him I can put others to shame.

Summoners are not gimped until level 70. We are useful every level from 1-75 and fully merited.

As for me I didnt have the issue of not gettign invites because of not having fenrir, I had a good reputation on ramuh so my skill took precedence over my avatar.

Lets take the little green rat for instance.
Most people think carbuncle is useful for...well nothing.

Healing ruby .. Great low cost healing and targeted healing while staying out of main melee.

Poison nails great way for the rat to status a foe and or start or close a renkei.
In BC and during solo fighting and PT situations with a 3rd melee. You have a status inducing skillchain thats MB'able. also cheap.

Shining Ruby is so underutalized its sick. Think of a BC situation where the first provoke or so can make the difference. Ive used this as a boost to tank defense and it works wonders durign the crucial first few seconds.

Glittering Ruby I must say is rather bland in its randomness. Where as fenrirs power is better suited.

Level 55.. Petit meteor ^^ lovely. GREAT to MB and cheap also Healing ruby is good to use to handle links, MB, gain hate and you can keep rat in the fray to gain some TP.

65 is where carbuncle gains immortality.. With healign ruby II he can AOE heal himself and others. This makes the lil fellow near indestructable. In a PT situation this and Petit meteor make him EXTREMELY useful.. and if you have the right gear free.
With healing ruby II, which can be boosted by the amount of TP gained, Hes much more effective than the Summoner/whm-rdm, that summoned him. By being inthe heart of the fight he can MB, Skillchain start/end, and Point Blank curaga1-2 with NO hate gained to him or you. and say you are fighting goblins or some such with nasty Aoes, this makes you the resident squishy..less squishy.

Non BP roles are pulling and aggro management.

As a summoner with the free rat. You can fetch a monster while your melees kill off the last one, and rat can take a beating until melees are ready to begin. by taking a beating he gains TP which can heal the melees with no risk.

Carbuncle being free means that in emergency situations where you hav elitle to no MP means it takes 5 MP to resummon him if you have the time.

You can do alot as a Summoner with EACH avatar, people tend to thinkin a pack mind. and the pack says a summoner can only do ...this..

I say differently.

[Kardor]

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Ya totally agree
Summoners ARE probably the most Powerful Job in the whole game, you just have to stop assuming Power with damage.
GA - Type Partybuffs
GA- Type DE-Buffs
Full Status Boost
Hate Free Healing
Hate Free Damage
Link Free Pulling
Damaging 2hrs which can be used 3 times

If you still insist Summoners are weak and gimped - you just dont want to see it.

[Kamodake]

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/applaude Triel I agree 100% with you. I have seen Triel in action for over a year now and it truly has been an amazing learning experience. SMN is truly as she said it is powerful, versatile, and horribly misunderstood. Bravo triel~

[Miriamel]

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Summoner is a very versatile job. But just as any other job, you should adjust to your party's needs when you play summoner. The difference between a decent and a good player is realizing what your party needs and what you can do to adjust to these needs.

I like playing DD when I get the chance - quite a lot of parties actually want me to. With a NIN tank I can main heal and MB at the same time just fine. I don't mind being full support either, though... summoner gets a lot of powerful buffs. I'll say it again, be versatile.

[Telera]

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I've been in many partys up to this point in my summoner career where I have been asked to DD. That includes MBs, starting SCs, and *leaving* my avatar out for the duration to add to the damage output. But then I've been in other parties where I've been asked to heal and I'm fine with that, because they do still let me be a summoner. I've never had a party tell me I could or couldn't do something with my avatar. Now, when I'm on main heal, just out of my own preference, I don't leave the avatar out. If we've got a WHM who I can see is on top of their game, I will leave my avatar out, but still toss out cures between Blood Pacts just to help the lil guy/gal along. And because I don't have much else to be doing. And if things get hairy, I send the thing away and the WHM and I work together to get everyone's hp back in top shape.

I do hope that SE makes some changes to avatar power (I could care less about more avatars) so that more parties will allow us to keep our avatars out for damage, instead of just buffs for them. Something that will make people look for WHMs to heal (this would require changes to WHM too, I believe, something that would give them a bigger edge over RDM and SMN) and let the other jobs do as they please.

But I never refuse when asked to main heal. Because I personally like playing a WHM so it doesn't bother me. It's easier on a SMN for the tank to be a Ninja simply because keeping up with a Paladin is tougher, but I've been main cure for both kinds of tank (or no tank at all x_x) and if you manage what you've got efficiently (cures, Blood Pacts, the entire bit) then you can pull it off with flying colors.

[Shirai]

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Why avoid summoner ._.?
My entire summoner career I have been a happy summoner simply because of the sheer versatility of the job.

I've been in parties where I heal, where I buff/debuff, where I dd even parties where I was the puller.
Next to that we can solo things other jobs don't even dare to touch.

As for being a gimpy healer, I simply refuse to believe that.
Carbuncle's healing ruby does wonders and Leviathan's spring water can cure most status ailments.
Just have Carby melee along to build TP and healing ruby can par a cure III for only 8MP or even a Curaga 2.5/3 for the MP cost of a Curaga II without pulling the mob an inch toward our fragile bodies.
the only times I refuse to main heal are when there is no back up or when I don't feel like it.

As for Diabolos, I never had any problems getting invited to a party for not having him.
I got Diabolos at lvl 72.
I don't use him much in exp parties but a lot of his buffs do wonders.

[Palom_FF]

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To be honest, I really view SMN as a "second job." Levelling WHM to 75 first taught me a lot about PT mechanics and mob behavior that was really crucial for levelling SMN. And regardless how good you think you are, SMN will always be second-rate in an EXP PT. You have to be at the top of your game to stand a chance.

[Kornera]

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smn has their own way of doing things, just like this lil kid....




any arguments, he might need to start chasing you down.

[Credos]

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Diabolos is the only Avatar that can do a ranged attack, this makes him great to have for endgame events on Kited mobs, if the tank cannot afford to stop for a second.