New Avatars ..?

[Bahamut Kaiser]

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It has been a wile, but according to the storyline bits that I read about Fenrir, Fenrir is an enemy of Odin, and wants to kill him. So having Odin as an avatar who is Fenrirs sworn enemy seems kind of bogus, Odin would make a better boss.

As for elements summons and the current elements, all the elements are taken, but bahamut has always been non-elemental damage, And if there is 1 more bigger badder summon, then Bahamut is the one. Bahamut is the posterboy for "most powerful summon", hes been replaced in the past few FFs, but he has been a summon since FF 4 and hes the most powerful one to grace every FF since as a summon, the others are just special unique ones for that game. This would be the first FF in a wile to not have Bahamut as a summon.

As for Alexander, they would have to make a mobile version, Carbuncle already does holy damage, but hes kind of a novice summon, if a new tier of summons were made, then they could make an alexander summon who replaces, or just supercieds Carbuncle. But I don't think that's neccissary, Alexander would also make a better backdrop or boss avatar IMO.

[Balodoth]

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And here I thought the issue was all talked out. It must be excitement for the expansion that resurrected this thread. . .

The only problem with Fenrir/Odin is that FF doesn't follow mythology. They use the names, borrow a couple features and adapt the rest. We all know FF's Fenrir is based on the element Dark. And if we read through the whole thread, it is pointed out that Odin, on the constellation chart, harbors the Dark star. The two are not enemies in this universe. . . should they introduce Odin, that is.

[cahlum]

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i think they will bring out a light avatar e.g alexander they might bring valefor out yojimbo anima and maybe the magus sisters

[Kalel]

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Alexander sounds cool. Magnus sister are so lame they look so wack and hope they not added ever. Only summons I hope make it as avatar someday = Odin, Diablos, Bahamut, Anima (be awesome but probably just ffx exclusive), hades wouldn't hurt to have, and Alexander be better than carbuncle as light. I wouldn't mind seeing a FFXI exclusive smn being made too

[Kaylik]

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I just want Bahamut as a summon, i love him XD

[Chocobo Knight]

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Sorry, to burst any bubbles, but wouldn't a lot of these ideas really overpower the class? Which, actually, I like the ideas of an uber-SMN, but then Square would have to nerf it all to hell again to get it balanced.

The idea I like best is the recall of the days when Summons where breif cameo appearances followed by gigantic effects. Like a BP or a 2 hr, only better.
Ex; Say you summon Bahamut. Okay, you see him and then, BOOM! Huge-ass attack, able to half the HP of an NM.(maybe not that much.) Then he turns to you and gives you an awwesome buff or a monster heal or something. But whatever, I guess this is cool too.

Postscript:The Totemas names are as follows, by race;

Moogle-Famfrit NuMou-Ultima(NOT the spell) Bangaa-Adremmalech The human and Vierra names I can't remember. I'll edit if I do. Also, there was another class that could summon, the mog animist. They had an ability called Friend that called a random avatar.

[Gwynn]

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...I wouldn't mind seeing a FFXI exclusive smn being made too

There already is a FFXI exclusive Summon. Her name is Garuda =P.

[Kardor]

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well might be posted already but here again

The Current FFXI World houses 11 "Gods"

5 of em are Terrestrial Avatars as mentioned in Promathia Mission
theese are: Fenrir, Carbuncle, Bahamut, Diabolos, Phoenix
6 are Elemental : Ifrit, Shiva, Garuda, Ramuh, Leviathan, Titan

Crossing out the already summonable it would Leave Bahamut and Phoenix as Top Candidates.

I heavily doubt that any of the FFX Avatars - Anima and such will find their way into FFXI since Square seemed to Focus on the Classic and Most Liked Summons.
Sure this whole thing is only guessing.

Hmm i personally think that Odin might be Terrestrial too, if he appears, much likely to Represent "Death"

Well to be true i dont care WHICH Summons come IF they come that is i just love every one^^.

[Adam-Atlantian]

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I Think if they made Bahamut an Avatar they should make him evolve. He starts as regular Bahamut and turns into Neo Bahamut and finally Bahamut Zero. The quests to make him evolve could be super hard so that everyone is not going around with an uber dragon.

Alexander needs to be the final Avatar. The best and most powerful and he could evolve to. Start like a machine and then get the big wings and a super cool new look. He would be a light avatar.

the higher the level of the Avatar the Bigger he should be. In all the other FF games the Summons were huge and some the monsters are enormous in Xi so why not have an equal sized beast. I've got a feeling Square is going to make a giant beast that will make everyone in each server have to fight for their lives. Every FF game game had that uber boss that could crush everyone and i think FFXI is no different. Something will happen one day and we'll need all the summons and magic and power we can get.

[Kalel]

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Alexander is cool but he was never a powerful Summons except in ff9.

[Aeolus]

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1 big enemy in a zones a bit different that 100 smns with a smn the same size o.O things could get messed up you wouldnt be able to move lol.

[Karinya]

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I doubt if there will be more than the 5 terrestrial avatars already known: they appear to be linked to the Mothercrystals, which there are only 5 of.

So Bahamut and Phoenix, possibly, and that is most likely it. If they are added, I expect Phoenix to be added next, and Bahamut last; the quest for Bahamut will most likely require that you already have Carbuncle (duh), Fenrir, Diabolos and Phoenix, otherwise he won't even consider you worthy of his time.


As for people getting Fenrir and Diabolos to show off at low levels - they're not really *that* useful at low levels. They have a couple BPs that are occasionally useful, but don't really shine until 40s-50 at least (Fenrir gets Ecliptic Growl at 43 and Ecliptic Howl at 54, Diabolos gets Noctoshield at 49 and Dream Shroud at 56) and their real power attacks come at 65 (Eclipse Bite and Nether Blast respectively).

It's entirely likely that Phoenix and Bahamut will follow similar patterns. I don't think SE is oblivious to the concerns of the main-job SMN - that's why mini-forks were introduced; although the battles are quite a bit harder than the PT fights, it *is* possible to get your own avatars that way. And you can easily get to 20 with only Carbuncle and elementals - heck, you can *solo* to 20 with only Carbuncle, you don't even need the elementals.

Yes, Fenrir has Lunar Cry and Lunar Roar at lower levels. But how often do you have no dispeller other than Fenrir *and* need Dispel? Lunar Cry seems to get resisted a lot and even when it doesn't, you can lower eva with the gravity effect of Tail Whip and do damage at the same time. (Unless you want another eva down to stack with a RDM's Gravity. I didn't say he was useless )

As for Diabolos, I can't see any reason to use Somnolence once you have Tail Whip, and you really shouldn't be relying on a SMN if you need crowd control so Nightmare is at best a curiosity. Ultimate Terror is probably just too random to be useful.

[Tiamat_Zero]

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Hmm it does seem like those will be the next two avatars, but I wouldn't mind if they added alexander or even odin in the next expansion.. If they make one...

[Adam-Atlantian]

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I think Alexander will be the last Avatar added.... He will have a special purpose or somethiing like that..... every since FFIX most people expect him to be important somehow...

[Lmnop]

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when you saw level 52 SMNs (few and far between) with only Carbuncle, you understand why S-E introduced the mini-quests. It's my opinion that the flaw of this game is having to have either lots of high level friends or a high level job yourself (usually both) to get anything done. It's what I'd call 'sacrificing' a job (merit points, being able to make money more effectively to equip next job better, etc.) but you're free to disagree. Point is: S-E knew what they did wrong. It is for this reason that I feel that if they add more avatars that - like Fenrir - require full parties of 70s+, you'll end up hurting low level smn. "Making super hard fights so not everyone has them" is not the key in a game with a million players who all want to be great. Also, for this reason, I think S-E will wisen up and Blue Mage won't be able to obtain all spells right at level 1 if they have a high level job/friends/etc.

I always thought Carby should get enhanced >.> I wouldn't have a problem with his true form being Alexander. :O