SMN leveling w/ Carby mittons at 23~24

[Tomoh]

With my SMN skills maxed at 72 at LV23 and with Carbuncle Mittons, my level up PT has become very simple. I leave out Carby and just spam Heal. Carby is not bad and hits better than several melees. With the Mittons, I have not found any need to use other summons (This will change at 25 with Garuda's Blinkga). I find using other Summons to be an inefficient use of MP at pre-25.

Tomoh-My apologies if this came off as sounding snobish. Was not may intention.

[Tonkz]

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[AtraposBLM]

tonkz...nice avatar lol

[gbay]

Tonkz's old dude looks hornier then mine ;><

[Gatts]

Thanks for telling us how awesome some rare/ex gloves that take a group of level 70's to get are! _b
I'd say the other avatars and an inefficient use of MP mainly because of -4 Carbuncle perpetuation cost.

To me your just one of those people that sells Hauberk +1 or nobles tunica to themselves for 1 gil just to show how rich they are.

[gbay]

i believe the carbuncle mits cuts of 1/2 of carbuncles cost, not 4 mp, don't belive me though, believe high level sumoners that tested it out

[Teffie]

Originally posted by Gatts
Thanks for telling us how awesome some rare/ex gloves that take a group of level 70's to get are! _b

Remember that the world does not revolve around you Gatts. Just because his information does not benefit you, doesn't mean it benefits someone else.

I read this post yesterday, and realized the potential of using Carbuncle Mitt's in an exp group. If my MP is full, I'd leave Fenrir out the entire fight since he only costs 3mp/tick (as opposed to other avatars which are 5mp/tick). But say my MP is at the half-way mark (due to the PT killing so fast) I'd use Fenrir's Lunar Cry, then summon Carbuncle since he costs me 1mp/tick, and have him assault the monster, which allows me to not completly drain my entire mana pool.

Thanks Tomoh for sharing your experience, I use Carbuncle much more now that I realized how useful my Carbuncle Mittens are!

Originally posted by Gatts
To me your just one of those people that sells Hauberk +1 or nobles tunica to themselves for 1 gil just to show how rich they are.

To me your just one of those people who wishes he had that Hauberk +1 or Nobles Tunic for themselves. Your comment was very uncalled for.

Originally posted by gbay
i believe the carbuncle mits cuts of 1/2 of carbuncles cost, not 4 mp, don't belive me though, believe high level sumoners that tested it out

Yes, it's half
my Carbuncle is originally 3mp/tick, when I use Carbuncle Mitt's it becomes 1mp/tick, whereas if it was -4 it would be 0mp/tick.

[Tomoh]

Teffie, thanks for your comments.

Ohh~ how I wish I had Fenrir At LV25 with auto-refresh, you will be able to leave Carby out at 0MP/tick until LV27, at which point becomes 1MP/tick with the mittons. You can also solo tough worms with just Carby. Just keep ur distance and unleash Carby on a worm over and over. It takes some time but it is safe, and I've been able to gain 100~160 exp per kill.

Using SMN as sub, you can leave Carby out at 0mp/tick under the following condition:

Main job: LV50+
Sub: SMN 25~26 (At 27, Carby costs 4 MPs to leave out)
Equip: Avatar Belt (Lv30, All jobs, Rare) -2MP/tick while SUMs out. Takes effect only with SMN as sub.

Avatar Belt is Palborugh BC30 drop item.

[Gatts]

Well i thought it was stating the obvious saying how useful carbuncle mittons are, so its pointless...
95% of summoners dont have access to them, and those that do already know how well they work anyway.

So what if i wish i had Hauberk +1? I bet you do too.
At least i dont go around showing my good items off in my bazaar for 99,999,999 gil. I bet youre the kind who kicks people out of an HNM LS coz they accidently called for help on Roc, or maybe one of those people that goes up to the level 10 galka smn and casts fenrir next to his carbuncle just to show how superior you are, and to make him feel bad about his accomplishments.

What i basically read there was "i have <obviouslygooditem> and its really good".
Everyone and his mother knows, and anyone who doesnt would obviously have no possible way of getting them, so to me this thread comes across as a complete noserub to all newbies, and nothing more.

Thread of the year _b
Ban me.

[Teffie]

Originally posted by Gatts
Ban me.

You heard the man, Tomoh. Do what he clearly wants you to do to him Tomoh

[Kiyone]

Originally posted by Teffie

Yes, it's half
my Carbuncle is originally 3mp/tick, when I use Carbuncle Mitt's it becomes 1mp/tick, whereas if it was -4 it would be 0mp/tick.

Not quite. ^^

Carbuncle's Mitts do indeed do -4mp/tick for Carbuncle, but it doesn't work like that until Carbuncle costs MORE than 4mp/tick. Until that level, Carbuncle Mitts will reduce the cost to 1mp/tick, and at level 25, auto-refresh will cover that charge, making him free to keep out until the cost goes up again, at level 28-ish.

At level 60, Carbuncle costs a total of 6mp/tick with Auto-refresh.

With Carbuncle's Mitts, he costs 2mp/tick to keep out.

In addition to a Light Staff, he is free to keep out.

On top of all that, a Vermillion Cloak will be +1mp/tick to keep him out.

^^v

[Teffie]

Originally posted by Kiyone


Not quite. ^^

Carbuncle's Mitts do indeed do -4mp/tick for Carbuncle, but it doesn't work like that until Carbuncle costs MORE than 4mp/tick. Until that level, Carbuncle Mitts will reduce the cost to 1mp/tick, and at level 25, auto-refresh will cover that charge, making him free to keep out until the cost goes up again, at level 28-ish.

At level 60, Carbuncle costs a total of 6mp/tick with Auto-refresh.

With Carbuncle's Mitts, he costs 2mp/tick to keep out.

In addition to a Light Staff, he is free to keep out.

On top of all that, a Vermillion Cloak will be +1mp/tick to keep him out.

^^v

I stand corrected XD
Thanks Kiy :3

[Kiyone]

Originally posted by Gatts
Well i thought it was stating the obvious saying how useful carbuncle mittons are, so its pointless...
95% of summoners dont have access to them, and those that do already know how well they work anyway.

So what if i wish i had Hauberk +1? I bet you do too.
At least i dont go around showing my good items off in my bazaar for 99,999,999 gil. I bet youre the kind who kicks people out of an HNM LS coz they accidently called for help on Roc, or maybe one of those people that goes up to the level 10 galka smn and casts fenrir next to his carbuncle just to show how superior you are, and to make him feel bad about his accomplishments.

What i basically read there was "i have <obviouslygooditem> and its really good".
Everyone and his mother knows, and anyone who doesnt would obviously have no possible way of getting them, so to me this thread comes across as a complete noserub to all newbies, and nothing more.

Thread of the year _b
Ban me.

Not everyone knows what Carbuncle's Mitts are, or what they do, you know. Heck, some people have never heard of a Hauberk, but that doesn't make them any less of a player. A lot more people are playing summoner job with the newest quests implemented. This doesn't mean that EVERYONE is now an expert on the best equipment for the job. -_-;

In a sense, this could be showing others the benefit of having these Mitts. Whether they can get them or not is a matter of their determination. It's just an information thread. Don't read so much into it.

Besides. Having <obviouslygooditem> in your bazaar shows the kind of effort you put into playing with the best you can. I am sure, if you worked in a NM LS and went after Simurgh for the Damasacus Ingot you need for a Hauberk and got it made that you'd be proud of it too. If for some reason, you can't wear it yet, wouldn't you feel the least bit compelled after all that effort to show off a little on your accomplishments? A Hauberk is not pocket change to most people, and bazaaring <obviouslygooditem> tells people you know what you are doing. (... most of the time, this is true.)

[Gatts]

Find ONE Summoner who is in an LS capable of aquiring carbuncle mittons that doesnt know what they are. please.

Originally posted by Kiyone
Besides. Having <obviouslygooditem> in your bazaar shows the kind of effort you put into playing with the best you can.

Good items prove nothing of how well you play though.
Could be someone who IGE's their characters/gil, but point taken.
Usually though, when you want to show that you play with the best items you can, you put them ON, not in your bazaar.
Thankyou for a bit of healthy debate.

on the other hand:

Originally posted by Teffie
You heard the man, Tomoh. Do what he clearly wants you to do to him Tomoh

This guy is the biggest mod suckup ive ever seen.
What? tryna get your custom tag? Dont make me laugh...

[Teffie]

Originally posted by Gatts What? tryna get your custom tag? Dont make me laugh...

Haha, If I most certainly did not make you laugh, you definitly made me! hahaha

Originally posted by Gatts
Thanks for telling us how awesome some rare/ex gloves that take a group of level 70's to get are! _b
I'd say the other avatars and an inefficient use of MP mainly because of -4 Carbuncle perpetuation cost.

To me your just one of those people that sells Hauberk +1 or nobles tunica to themselves for 1 gil just to show how rich they are.

Now then, let's head back to the source, Tomoh's topic starter;

Originally posted by TomohWith my SMN skills maxed at 72 at LV23 and with Carbuncle Mittons, my level up PT has become very simple. I leave out Carby and just spam Heal. Carby is not bad and hits better than several melees. With the Mittons, I have not found any need to use other summons (This will change at 25 with Garuda's Blinkga). I find using other Summons to be an inefficient use of MP at pre-25.

Now, what part of this statement was so horrendously offensive that you must go off and tell Tomoh that his entire post was nothing but a way of showing off? Did it ruffle your feathers that much? How badly do you desire virtual game items, that you are able to mouth off the person who obtains and speaks about something, you do not have.

Want to see what I found truly hilarious. You tell some guy who has Carbuncle Mitts that he is posting just to show off, BUT eleven posts later, a certain Kiyone posts a picture of herself, and talks about how She benefits from Carbuncle Mittens, Light Staff and a Vermillion Robe (which she clearly shows herself from a screenshot of her in game) Yet you say absolutly nothing about it. Whats the problem? Cat got your tongue, or should I say fingers? It seems to me that you mock a person who is trying to explain the benefits of using Carbuncle Mitts, but you don't mock the person who explains the benefits of Carbuncle Mitts at a much higher level combined with other high-end and expensive equipment.

And as Kiyone said earlier

Originally posted by Kiyone
In a sense, this could be showing others the benefit of having these Mitts. Whether they can get them or not is a matter of their determination. It's just an information thread. Don't read so much into it.

It is just an information thread, which you clearly are taking so literally as it being a direct threat towards any individual, including yourself, who does not posess Carbuncle Mitts, or who has no chance of obtaining them whatsoever.

I do not see a single problem with this topic, and as I said earlier, I DID infact change the playstyle of my lv.20'ish SMN after realizing the benefits of Carbuncle Mitts. I would use Fenrir, since he clearly does the most damage of the avatars, when my MP is full. Afterwards, if the PT would pull too quickly, I would not want to end the battle with 0 MP, so I take out Carbuncle since he only costs 1mp/tick and use him for a while.

Originally posted by Gatts
To me your just one of those people that sells Hauberk +1 or nobles tunica to themselves for 1 gil just to show how rich they are.

I don't know who you are as a human being, but you have no right to point a finger directly at Tomoh for him trying to share information. He pointed no fingers at you, labeling you with something you do not wish to be labeled, Infact he did not even know who you were. Yet you barge into his informal topic, and point a figer straight at him labeling him with this selfish, pompous insult.

Are you going to point your finger at Shiela for writing a SMN FAQ and discussing all of her strategies with her SMN high level experiences? Does that make her "one of those people" who write FAQ's just to show how high level they are?

Are you going to point your finger at all players whom are level 75, and clearly state it in their signatures and member profiles? Such as myself and many other members, do we write that because we want to show that were big shots?

Are you going to point your finger at any single person who tries to explain something, whether it be in a LiveJournal, a Topic, a FAQ, a Guide, any other Thread, which gives a personal reference to themselves being in the high end game?

I sincerly hope your not the kind of person who would do the above sayings; it would just show how envious you are of them.

If you answer yes to these questions, don't even bother replying to this topic, you'd just be proving my point.