The Guide of How to Get to the Summon Primes

[imac2much]

Are you really this dense or just playing stupid? I guess I have to spell things out for people like you who can't read between the lines. Now, read carefully, and tell me if I'm going too fast for you.

1) I didn't accuse you of anything. I said it's people like you who DO try to get away with whatever they can if they can find some loophole.

2) You really need me to point out the fallacy in your argument? ugh, I thought it was self-evident but whatever:

You: "I paid my godly fee to square-enix so I can do whatever the hell I want!!! I am god's gift to the game!! Don't preach to me!!"

Well, that doesn't mean you can go around and randomly cast spells on people crafting for the sole purpose of griefing them (casting spells makes you fail your synth and lose all ingredients). In other games, you also have to pay, but that doesn't mean kill stealing, looting, etc is a good and wholesome practice.

So here, let me spell it out for you: just because you paid for the damn game doesn't mean you should play it however the hell you want. You *can* but that doesn't mean you *should*. Can you grasp this difference?

And actually, I said this exact thing in my post, so how it escaped you is beyond me... except that I truly think you have no reading comprehension skills. Yes, I am accusing you now, but it has basis.

You also said you won't follow our "artificial rules." That's why I said people like you who don't follow "artificial rules" (i.e. morals, ethics, ideals, anything that isn't written on paper) are the type who try to get away with anything they can. You really can't grasp this concept?

And also, stop sending me PMs. I don't want to know about your sexual orientation, it's honestly none of my business, and I don't care either way. So don't fill my inbox with such garbage. (this is not an attack on his sexuality, he really did talk about it in his PM, and I don't know why -_-)

I don't really see any instance where you tried to show respect for everyone. You instead went off on hypocritical accusations, calling everyone preachy upstarts, then hypocritically accusing them of being self-important.

Sorry for this long response that I acknowledge has become a flame, but it seems this person can't read between the lines and really needs me to spell everything out word for word. He really thinks I accused him of breaking the law... that's just hilarious.

[Mask_Of_Death]

AGH!

/emote sits on the ground and rocks back and forth humming Kumbaya.

Why can't we all just get along? :dead:

[Valerathon]

Typical red herring type response (http://www.fallacyfiles.org/redherrf.html) to refer to part of a PM out of context, and use to distract from his own weak argument. I was making a point to him, privately, that like he seemed to wrongly think my "disrepect for the rules" spills over into real life, so might someone wrongly conclude that his intolerance spills over into bashing minorities.

There is no rule in the POL agreement or FFXI agreement that states I can't fight the Shiva Prime at Lv 43, and all the others at 60. So, does that mean its wrong... because you say so. That's the fallacy of Argumentum ad Verecundiam ( Appeal to Authority;
Argument from Authority; ("Argument from respect (modesty)", Latin); Ipse Dixit ("He, himself, said it", Latin) )

Chill out. Your post has been reported. Again.

EDIT: Oops, almost forgot my source again for argument from authority.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/authorit.html

EDIT: oh, just occured to me, your reference to spell casting on crafters is a fallacy that I find especially interesting, but so rarely see used. Its called "The Straw Man Fallacy". Setting up and attacking a weaker position while ignoring the real matter. The real matter is Prime Avatar battles, not casting spells on crafters, which is a position impossible to defend. But guess what: I'm not trying to! http://www.fallacyfiles.org/strawman.html

[imac2much]

Sorry, but just because you can read some website and quote some Latin doesn't make you a good debater. You can wish as much as you want, but it isn't the case.

Where is my argument weak? Like I said, there IS no rule that you can't fight Shiva at low levels. There is also no rule against sending 100 tells per minute to a person harrassing them until they black list you. There is no rule against constantly casting spells on a player who is trying to synth, making him lose all ingredients. There is no rule against fighting with a PT or alliance (as the leader) for some rare item, then kicking everyone out of the PT or alliance after the item is found, in order to get the item for yourself.

There are no rules for these. Does that mean they should be done? That's your call.

Please tell me where my argument is weak. I am curious to know if you even understand my argument, even though I repeated it ad nauseum just for you. All I said is that just because there is no written rule or law against something doesn't justify it as being good (which you kindly stated was your point of view in your resopnse). I never said the whole summoner debate is associated in this (if you actually read posts, you'd realize I am not against leeching). All I said was your argument is flawed, and I stand by this. What are you going to report me for now... because I pointed out that you never read my posts, and instead respond with stupid comments from your irrelevant website?

[imac2much]

Originally posted by Valerathon
EDIT: oh, just occured to me, your reference to spell casting on crafters is a fallacy that I find especially interesting, but so rarely see used. Its called "The Straw Man Fallacy". Setting up and attacking a weaker position while ignoring the real matter. The real matter is Prime Avatar battles, not casting spells on crafters, which is a position impossible to defend. But guess what: I'm not trying to! http://www.fallacyfiles.org/strawman.html

No, that is not the real matter. You are so intent in looking up irrelevant crap in your other website that you aren't reading anything relevant here. How many times do I have to say that I don't care if you leech or not, I even said Regulat0r's method was good. I don't care about that crap at all, I think you are confusing me with Kirara. All I said is your argument is flawed... and it IS. No matter how much you want to sugarcoat it with your fancy labels and terms, you obviously don't know HOW to use these terms effectively because you are, without a doubt, the worst debater I have met on these forums (and that's not a small accusation). The problem is that you think, just because you can label things with stupid law terms, that you are saying something with meaning. You're not.

[Valerathon]

Originally posted by imac2much
Sorry, but just because you can read some website and quote some Latin doesn't make you a good debater.

No, it doesn't make a me a good debater. What exceptional perspecacity you show.

Originally posted by imac2much
Where is my argument weak? Like I said, there IS no rule that you can't fight Shiva at low levels. There is also no rule against sending 100 tells per minute to a person harrassing them until they black list you. There is no rule against constantly casting spells on a player who is trying to synth, making him lose all ingredients. There is no rule against fighting with a PT or alliance (as the leader) for some rare item, then kicking everyone out of the PT or alliance after the item is found, in order to get the item for yourself.

There are no rules for these. Does that mean they should be done? That's your call.

There is no rule against fighting Shiva at whatever Lv, you're right. There are rules against all the other injurious things you list. And GMs regulary have these things reported to them, and they act on them. You're bringing up illogical, irrelevent information, because all these other things are different. They're different because there are rules against them. They are reportable offenses against people. Fighting a Prime "early" only offends some peoples' sensibilities. It doesn't detract from anyone playing the game.

Originally posted by imac2much
Please tell me where my argument is weak.

There. Better now?

EDIT: Again, all these personal attacks about me being the worst debator you've seen on the boards... irrelevent. Speak to the content of what I'm saying, and stop committing the logical fallacy of Argumentum ad Hominem. Your post seemed to have that as their substance: attack me, attack me, and attack me again. Your posts have alot of bark, but little bite. Keep on digging.... just do it nicely.

[Osaka]

Closed ::

Please desist from flaming each other. If an argument cannot be made without flamming then it is best to walk away. Because of the flames I am closing the thread. If anyone disagrees please feel free to PM me at any time.

Ganbare~!!~