Best SJ for SCH

[Luna]

Now I've noticed that /RDM seems to be the best for me b/c it enhances both properties of the SCH, not to mention in later lvls I get stoneskin blink phalanx gravity and enfeebling spells. I know /BLM is good for dmg but we lack the defensive spells, and /WHM is just ICKY ! unless you need silena in the mire. What do you guys think?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Best SJ for SCH

I'm mostly a /RDM or /WHM user, not that /BLM is bad, it just that Manifestation doesn't have as many reasons to be used as Accession does. /RDM i prefer because I get th MAB from that sub and also the defensive spells + Gravity and Enspells. Plus I'll still have the option to -ga most curative and protective spells even if /RDM.

[Luna]

Re: Best SJ for SCH

I'm mostly a /RDM or /WHM user, not that /BLM is bad, it just that Manifestation doesn't have as many reasons to be used as Accession does. /RDM i prefer because I get th MAB from that sub and also the defensive spells + Gravity and Enspells. Plus I'll still have the option to -ga most curative and protective spells even if /RDM.

yeah I forgot about the -en spells also, I really think /RDM is SCH's best SJ so far.

[Tomato_Kai]

Re: Best SJ for SCH

As a sub, it seems to naturally compliment the flexibility of the job, though I can't say I entirely think of the en-spells as a significant boon.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Best SJ for SCH

The best support job is whichever best fit the current situation. Usually, that means /WHM for -na, Erase, and Curaga, or /RDM for the full enfeebling and enhancing suite, and a little MAB, to boot. Soloing makes /RDM's Gravity and Bind quite valuable.

Didn't find /BLM to be very useful for the most part, but between Lv.20 to 39, it's the only way to get a MAB for SCH.

[Icemage]

Re: Best SJ for SCH

/BLM is pretty ho-hum, even with the Magic Attack Bonus for that 20 level stretch from 20-39.

What irritates me with either /WHM or /RDM is that all the good white magic enfeebles get hosed under either Light Arts or Dark Arts. If you have Light Arts up, you have D rank Enfeebling, but they cost less and cast/recast faster... if you have Dark Arts up, you have B rank Enfeebling, but they cost more and cast/recast slower. Lose-lose either way.

To be fair, at least SCH is a competent healer when it has some Refresh/Evoker's/Ballad support.. and it's not that bad as a nuker either, if a bit inaccurate until you get to elemental staves at 51.


Icemage

[Coinspinner]

Re: Best SJ for SCH

Post-40 /BLM isn't too useful, but it if you're just gonna nuke and Regen, and are confident you won't get hate, it's still pretty good. You get Wizard's Earring, the elemental enfeebles, earlier Sleep and Elemental Seal to go with it, and eventually Tractor and Escape.

My favorite, and default sub, is /RDM though.

[Luna]

Re: Best SJ for SCH

What irritates me with either /WHM or /RDM is that all the good white magic enfeebles get hosed under either Light Arts or Dark Arts. If you have Light Arts up, you have D rank Enfeebling, but they cost less and cast/recast faster... if you have Dark Arts up, you have B rank Enfeebling, but they cost more and cast/recast slower. Lose-lose either way.

That is one thing that I have not been able to get lol, although the 3 main enfeebles I use under dark arts are Slow, Paralyze, and Gravity, I leave dia under light arts since its DoT and I dont care too much for it lol. But as far as switching to LA and DA its been pretty easy for me to do I never have a problem with it. Then again I have a Plan for when I cast what as far as enfeebling go's lol I only nuke if I am not the main or support healer, those past few Mana pt's i've had, has way over caped my elemental magic lol just toss in a few mana pt's when its not caped and there ya go!

[Malacite]

Re: Best SJ for SCH

Has anyone been able to test out SCH/BLM @75 yet with Ebullience and tier 3 nukes?

[Coinspinner]

Re: Best SJ for SCH

Not personally, but it's 20% more damage so it's not hard to imagine what it'd do for your damage output. Parsimony seems like the better option.

[Malacite]

Re: Best SJ for SCH

I still think it sucks that SCH's best stratagems can't be used when it's subbed but the job needed some kind of reason to take it to 75 @.@;

It's too bad really. Accession + Refresh or Ebullience + Burst II would have pwned.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Best SJ for SCH

I still think it sucks that SCH's best stratagems can't be used when it's subbed

Um... OK, but the topic is support job for SCH, not /SCH as a support job.

[MrMageo]

Re: Best SJ for SCH

I still think it sucks that SCH's best stratagems can't be used when it's subbed but the job needed some kind of reason to take it to 75 @.@;

It's too bad really. Accession + Refresh or Ebullience + Burst II would have pwned.

Just going to touch on this quick. It would be like making convert available to other mage jobs, too much power. I wouldnt mind seeing the storms available as a sub tho.

As for best SJ for Sch in an on paper sorta way, is rdm party enspells/stoneskin/phalanx/blink, aoe dispel,gravity,bind out weigh /whm or /blm benefits.

But as for best SJ overall like all jobs its entirely situational and equal balance job like sch is benifited buy what sub it chose to use in very situation.

[Neomage]

Re: Best SJ for SCH

Just going to touch on this quick. It would be like making convert available to other mage jobs, too much power. I wouldnt mind seeing the storms available as a sub tho.

As for best SJ for Sch in an on paper sorta way, is rdm party enspells/stoneskin/phalanx/blink, aoe dispel,gravity,bind out weigh /whm or /blm benefits.

But as for best SJ overall like all jobs its entirely situational and equal balance job like sch is benifited buy what sub it chose to use in very situation.

Nor would I. As a career BLM, I spend a lot of time trying to maximize my MAB, and am currently working on the Elemental Obis. It would be nice to give /SCH another perk, because it greatly lacks support magic that /WHM and /RDM give.

Back on topic: With Scholar, there is no "Good" subjob. Each and every one is completely situational, because in the very theme of Scholars, they need to change and adapt to their situation. If you need Erase and -Na, /WHM is almost required. However, /BLM offers MAB, sleep, warp, escape, and the Elemental Enfeebles. While you miss out on Slow and Paralyze(which are not very helpful anyway, given the dilema posed earlier) as well as defencive spells, the effectiveness of elemental enfeebles is often overlooked.

/RDM gives some of both worlds, but not much. You get Paralyze and Slow, but as mentioned earlier, their effectiveness is blunted. It would be better to leave these to a real RDM or WHM if possible. The defensive spells and Fast Cast,plus the (weaker) Sleep are a nice addition in a pinch though.

All in all, in a perfect party(Healer can take care of -nas, no hate problems, well oiled EXP grinding machine), I would say /BLM is the best subjob. However, this is rarely the case. As such, /RDM is nice to help out in a pinch. /WHM is only ever good if you are the main healer and need -nas and Erase.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Best SJ for SCH

Back on topic: With Scholar, there is no "Good" subjob. Each and every one is completely situational, because in the very theme of Scholars, they need to change and adapt to their situation. If you need Erase and -Na, /WHM is almost required. However, /BLM offers MAB, sleep, warp, escape, and the Elemental Enfeebles. While you miss out on Slow and Paralyze(which are not very helpful anyway, given the dilema posed earlier) as well as defencive spells, the effectiveness of elemental enfeebles is often overlooked.

You'd also get Sleep from /RDM25; what you'd be missing is Sleepga, which can be worked around on SCH.

I'd strongly disagree with the idea that Slow and Paralyze not being helpful; even with longer cast time and higher MP cost from Dark Arts, they are well worth the when compared to the curing MP saved over time.

It'd be different with a RDM in party, but SCH should cast those spells instead of WHM, who is stuck with C enfeebling magic skill.

All in all, in a perfect party(Healer can take care of -nas, no hate problems, well oiled EXP grinding machine), I would say /BLM is the best subjob.

If a party like that can best benefit from SCH by asking him to use /BLM, the same party would probably do even better inviting a BLM instead.