Scholar subjob discussion

[Sabaron]

Re: Scholar subjob discussion

Re: Sabaron an AoE buffs
Have to remember that the recast timer on Strategems is 240 minutes, and buffs like Phalanx and Enspells only last 150 seconds.

I took that into account in the above calculation. It's where the adjusted DPS of 14.~~ comes from.

Also, I don't know what the high-end Strategems will be like - seems prudent to not base your higher level strategies around the low level stuff since I'm sure Square-Enix has saved the best for last.

We can look at the helixes a bit. Let's say we get top-end damage of 50 (a guess) and Ebullience is a 50% boost (it could be 100% for all I know). Reports on weather indicate that 1x weather is extending duration by 20s from 50 to 110s iirc, so we'll assume 1x Light weather on Luminohelix as follows:

50 Damage * 1.5 (Ebullience) * 110s / 3tick = 2750 damage

Wiki doesn't say what the spell costs, but if we can tri-stack them like elemental debuffs, we can add two more that look like:

50 Damage * 50s / 3tick = 833 damage

to get:

2750 + (833 * 2) = ~4417 damage over 110s for (probably) a rather hefty mp cost. Now of course that depends on whether or not Luminohelix does ~50 damage and not ~100.

All of it is, of course, pure speculation, but I really like where said speculation is going.

One might be able to categorize Phalanxga and Enspellga as situational if one considers non-optimal situations. Alternate melee groups such as DRK, SAM, and DRG make Enspellga far less powerful. Phalanxga is situational with respect to mob attack speed. Mandragora and bees are MNK and so are greatly affected by Phalanxga, whereas say a Wivre is going to be hitting much harder and much slower and is not going to suffer nearly as much from it. I simply see potential for those two abilities with respect to abilities off sub which is what the thread is about.

[Armando]

Re: Scholar subjob discussion

Mandragora and bees are MNK and so are greatly affected by Phalanxga, whereas say a Wivre is going to be hitting much harder and much slower and is not going to suffer nearly as much from it.

Nitpick: Bees are not MNKs.

Carry on.

[Tsrwedge]

Re: Scholar subjob discussion

Have to remember that the recast timer on Strategems is 240 minutes, and buffs like Phalanx and Enspells only last 150 seconds.

Second nitpik - that's 240 seconds.

Carry on.

[Sabaron]

Re: Scholar subjob discussion

Nitpick: Bees are not MNKs.

Carry on.

They fight in a very MNK-like manner. High speed attacks that do little damage.

[Armando]

Re: Scholar subjob discussion

No, they don't. They have the same 240 (4 second) Delay as any other mob, and their attack damage is pretty much average. Unless we're talking about very obviously MNK or NIN mob, only a handful of CoP and ToAU mobs have non-standard attack speed (Wanderer-type Empty, Colibri, Chigoe, Fomors according to their weapon, and I don't know of anything else right now.)

[Sabaron]

Re: Scholar subjob discussion

Fine, they're not. Anyway. Back to the more important issue. I forgot to add in time sensitivity in my thing on Helix, so I'll do time-adjusted DoT evaluation of Helix.
Assumptions:
Helix top end = 50
Ebullience = 50% boost
Positive Weather Effect makes Helix duration 110s always active (self-storming same element as helix)
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50% bonus for 110s/240s = 22.92% adjusted

Assuming their additive and not multiplicative:
50 damage * (1 + 0.2292) * 110s/3s = 2253 average damage per cast.
If we want it as DoT, we just divide the 110s back out and get:
20.48DPS
which is still better than Enspellga unless my math went weirdy weird somewhere (it did). The problem now becomes how to properly calculate the effect of Elemental Seal...which was, admittedly, the original intent of this post which has been now back-burnered since I don't know how much more accurate Eleseal makes a spell.

Now when you cast a helix I'm assuming that if you storm yourself you get the bonus since you can't storm a mob.

Now with Tabula Rasa in full effect I have infinite stratagems, so I can do something like...

3x Ebullient Helixga

provided Helix stack like standard EleDoTs, but this will probably cause your own death. Good way to go down in a big fight though, but probably needs a Paladin to Invincible to get it off or the mobs will likely kill you before you finish casting it. Also, I don't know how long it takes to cast a helix but Tabula Rasa only lasts 1 minute.


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Wait a minute.... I just retarded out didn't I? Elemental seal doesn't double the spell effect... It just makes it top out it's "power" so that it will be unresisted. Therefore, my boost effect was erroneous...
Adjusted.

[Malacite]

Re: Scholar subjob discussion

um... I don't recal Tabula Rasa giving unlimited Stratagems. It says it Optimizes both Black and White Magic, effectively giving you both Light and Dark Arts at the same time.

[Anaki]

Re: Scholar subjob discussion

im wondering. if weather affects helix alot. and you can make weather. and there are the obis that increase the affect of weather.

so dynamis (double dark/void weather) + voidstorm + anrin obi(enhanced dark weather affect) + modus veritas(sp?)(enhanced helix spells)= what kind of damage to a dynamis mob?

[Karinya]

Re: Scholar subjob discussion

Tabula Rasa removes charge limitations from stratagems, but does it still remove the minimum 1 min cooldown?

In any case, I think AoEing a short-duration buff is not likely to be that great a strategy for most situations. You'll run out of charges after only a couple times recasting it (unless it's a BCNM where you go through your charges, then 2hr, then by the time that wears off the fight is hopefully over).

Especially if you're going to all that trouble just to duplicate Noctoshield, Earthen Ward or Aerial Armor... at least with enspells there's some excuse, because Rolling Thunder is so horribly broken.

[Tsrwedge]

Re: Scholar subjob discussion

um... I don't recal Tabula Rasa giving unlimited Stratagems. It says it Optimizes both Black and White Magic, effectively giving you both Light and Dark Arts at the same time.

Quoting directly from the game...

Optimizes both white and black magic capabilities, which allowing charge-free stratagem use.

I can attest to this as well - saved the pt last night when I was near-empty on MP and fired off a few Regens and a couple Cure 2s. When I used Tabula Rasa, I had 66 MP - triggered Penury on each cast, finished with 30 MP.

[Taskmage]

Re: Scholar subjob discussion

So it removes the recast restriction as well then.

[Malacite]

Re: Scholar subjob discussion

> < just checked wiki, apparently Helix spells do not work with Manifestation /cry

[Sabaron]

Re: Scholar subjob discussion

> < just checked wiki, apparently Helix spells do not work with Manifestation /cry

They must've made a special exception because they're classified as Enfeebling and Manifestation states that it works on Enfeebling magic.

But yeah, Tabula Rasa gives Light Arts + Dark Arts + Unlimited Stratagems which is very cool, but you still have only 1 minute to cast all your spells.

And to Anaki WRT 2x weather and Voidstorm, I'm not sure but were I to venture a guess, I'd say that Storms don't "add" to the weather but simply apply it. In other words, If I cast Ionstorm when there is thunder weather, the weather is still thundery, but if I cast Ionstorm in 2x thunder weather, nothing happens because it is already more thundery. That's more of an opinionated guess than a known fact.

[Gwynn]

Re: Scholar subjob discussion

They must've made a special exception because they're classified as Enfeebling and Manifestation states that it works on Enfeebling magic.
But yeah, Tabula Rasa gives Light Arts + Dark Arts + Unlimited Stratagems which is very cool, but you still have only 1 minute to cast all your spells.
And to Anaki WRT 2x weather and Voidstorm, I'm not sure but were I to venture a guess, I'd say that Storms don't "add" to the weather but simply apply it. In other words, If I cast Ionstorm when there is thunder weather, the weather is still thundery, but if I cast Ionstorm in 2x thunder weather, nothing happens because it is already more thundery. That's more of an opinionated guess than a known fact.

Yet another minor boost of /RDM: Fast Cast for your 2 hour. Get a RDM or WHM to cast Haste on you and think of all the spiffy things you could pull of with a Tabula Rasa in a BCNM. Might change a few things in CoP.

[Malacite]

Re: Scholar subjob discussion

Assuming Helix Spells stack, Tabula Rasa + Helix Spells + Ebullience = nasty shit.