7 WS Skillchain (New SAM WS Chains)

[Sabaron]

The new Samurai Ability, Sekkanoki, allows a Samurai to use only 100% TP on one WS. Regardless of casting time/recast, etc. , this significantly alters the methodology behind the Samurai's use of the Two-hour ability, Meikyo Shisui giving rise to the following technique:

1. Store TP to 200%
2. Sekkanoki
3. WS
4. WS
5. Meikyo Shisui
6. WS
7. Meditate
8. WS
9. WS
10. WS
11. Icarus Wing
12. WS

That's a 7 WS Skillchain. Is/are there weaponskill combinations that a SAM could use to create 6 SCs in a row using this technique? If so, list and elaborate. It is quite likely that successive SAM chaining like this (in conjunction with MB) will be used to defeat NMs.

[Tomato_Kai]

Re: 7 WS Skillchain (New SAM WS Chains)

I haven't seen the full functionality of Sekkanoki, but is there any particular reason you couldn't store TP up to 300% before tossing Sekkanoki? Get 3 WS off instead of just two?

Also: working on SC now.

[Zempten]

Re: 7 WS Skillchain (New SAM WS Chains)

I haven't seen the full functionality of Sekkanoki, but is there any particular reason you couldn't store TP up to 300% before tossing Sekkanoki? Get 3 WS off instead of just two?

Also: working on SC now.

You'd only get 2 WS in no matter what your TP is at after 200% and with Sekkanoki. The first one will use 100% TP and the 2nd WS will consume whatever other TP you have.

I think a solo Light SC maybe possible with relic Head and Hands.

160% TP
Sekkanoki
Med
Yuki
2 ticks (or 1 depending on if you hit again)
Gekko
Whatever amount of ticks left on Med & hits
Kasha

Note: I know that it gives up to 180% but it's not always guarenteed so I didn't factor it.

[Dymlos]

Re: 7 WS Skillchain (New SAM WS Chains)

Only way I could see that to work is with Soboro and /DRG sub.

Store 300 TP
Sekkanoki
WS
WS
Meditate
Jump
(if enough TP to WS) WS
Meikyo Shisui
WS
WS
WS
Icarus Wing
WS.

[Armando]

Re: 7 WS Skillchain (New SAM WS Chains)

Sabaron, that's only 6 WS =P

Anyways, it's always possible to do a single, continuous, X-WS Skillchain using only Great Katana by using Jinpu->Jinpu as fillers, looping back and forth between Scission and Detonation.

[Zempten]

Re: 7 WS Skillchain (New SAM WS Chains)

That's a 7 WS Skillchain. Is/are there weaponskill combinations that a SAM could use to create 6 SCs in a row using this technique? If so, list and elaborate. It is quite likely that successive SAM chaining like this (in conjunction with MB) will be used to defeat NMs.

A SAM could do.....
Frag: Yuki -> Gekko
Fusion: Gekko -> Kasha
Light: Yuki -> Gekko -> Kasha

I don't think anything beyond those 3 are worth using in a SC. So basically with 7 WS you can either get

2 Lvl 3 (Light)
2 Lvl 2 (Frag/Fusion) & 1 Lvl 3 (Light)
3 Lvl 2 (Frag/Fusion)

Also as Armado said, it's only 6 but it can be 7 with Meditate like this as well. This can be done without Soboro & DRG SJ

200% TP
Sekkanoki
WS
WS
2HR
WS
Meditate
WS
WS
WS
Icarus Wing
WS

[MrMageo]

Re: 7 WS Skillchain (New SAM WS Chains)

heres a list of consecutive skill chains the longest concsecutive chain i bothered to find, (if TP was possible to keep at 100 possibly with a party of sams feeding TP you could pretty well go forever)

Tachi: Enpi > Kagero > Liquefaction
Kagero > Goten > Fusion
Goten > Enpi > Distortion
Enpi > Jinpu > Distortion
Jinpu > Kasha > Gravitation
Kasha > Yuki > Detonation
Yuki > Koki > Fragmentation
Koki > Kagero > Fusion

and repeat

[Armando]

Re: 7 WS Skillchain (New SAM WS Chains)

I don't think anything beyond those 3 are worth using in a SC. So basically with 7 WS you can either get

The thing is, the more (consecutive) skillchains you make, the stronger each gets. It's possible that using less strong WS to make consecutive SCs, you'd get more damage overall. Depends a lot on how bad your resists are though.

[Dymlos]

Re: 7 WS Skillchain (New SAM WS Chains)

Hopefully the SC fix is noticeable and they don't resist 90% of the time.

[Zempten]

Re: 7 WS Skillchain (New SAM WS Chains)

The thing is, the more (consecutive) skillchains you make, the stronger each gets. It's possible that using less strong WS to make consecutive SCs, you'd get more damage overall. Depends a lot on how bad your resists are though.

Well my main point was Yuki, Gekko, and Kasha's modifiers are the highest of the previous GK WS. Also I don't think consecutive SC works for the OP's questions of combining MBs in there as well. I may be wrong though there. I don't know how far up consecutive SCs can get, but so far . . .this is the HIGHEST SC DMG I've gotten on my SAM so far. It was off someone else's WS and if you can't see it, it's a 1606 Light SC



If we want to take Shiki though, technically a SAM could WS 7 + (1*n) where N is the number of SAMs you can get into your PT.

[Callisto]

Re: 7 WS Skillchain (New SAM WS Chains)

heres a list of consecutive skill chains the longest concsecutive chain i bothered to find, (if TP was possible to keep at 100 possibly with a party of sams feeding TP you could pretty well go forever)

Tachi: Enpi > Kagero > Liquefaction
Kagero > Goten > Fusion
Goten > Enpi > Distortion
Enpi > Jinpu > Distortion
Jinpu > Kasha > Gravitation
Kasha > Yuki > Detonation
Yuki > Koki > Fragmentation
Koki > Kagero > Fusion

and repeat

Doesn't work exactly like that, Fusion does not go into Distortion, it's the Transfixion end of Goten tha allows you to do Goten > Enpi for Distortion. The only way to pull this off would be a way to find a continuous string of filler Lv. 1 SC's for the first 4 or 5, then close out with Lv. 2 > Lv. 3 the same way you do a 4-step light or dark with Meikyo Shisui. I'll have a look at it rq and see if I can figure it out.
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Add: I'll try to work backwards a bit, starting w/ a 4 step Light and seeing if we can find 3 filler WS that will end on Reverberation, which would be needed to do Yuki onto for Induration so that you can go Gekko > Kasha and finish on Light.

1) Jinpu(Scission)
2) Jinpu(Detonation)
3) Jinpu(Scission)
4) Koki(Reverberation)
5) Yuki(Induration)
6) Gekko(Fragmentation)
7) Kasha(Light)

Shazam?

[MrMageo]

Re: 7 WS Skillchain (New SAM WS Chains)

that does it ^^ i totally forgot about the chains riding together i just ran down a list i have through excitement.

[Tomato_Kai]

Re: 7 WS Skillchain (New SAM WS Chains)

Store 300 TP
Sekkanoki
WS - Tachi: Jinpu
WS - Tachi: Kagero (SC: Liquefaction)
Meditate
Jump
WS - Tachi: Jinpu (SC: Scission)
Meikyo Shisui
WS - Tachi: Koki (SC: Reverberation)
WS - Tachi: Yukikaze (SC: Induration)
WS - Tachi: Gekko (SC: Fragmentation)
Icarus Wing
WS - Tachi: Kasha (SC: Light)

While I'm sure you could think of ways to get more total lights and so, I don't think it's possible without having Tachi: Kaiten or breaking the SC chain.

By the time you hit Kasha, light should be doing ridiculous amounts of damage.


How does the order look, folks?

[Callisto]

Re: 7 WS Skillchain (New SAM WS Chains)

Store 300 TP
Sekkanoki
WS - Tachi: Jinpu
WS - Tachi: Kagero (SC: Liquefaction)
Meditate
Jump
WS - Tachi: Jinpu (SC: Scission)
Meikyo Shisui
WS - Tachi: Koki (SC: Reverberation)
WS - Tachi: Yukikaze (SC: Induration)
WS - Tachi: Gekko (SC: Fragmentation)
Icarus Wing
WS - Tachi: Kasha (SC: Light)

While I'm sure you could think of ways to get more total lights and so, I don't think it's possible without having Tachi: Kaiten or breaking the SC chain.

By the time you hit Kasha, light should be doing ridiculous amounts of damage.


How does the order look, folks?

That should work the same as mine, just subbing in Liquification for Detonation, still Lv. 1 so should be fine, I'll try to find a Dark rq.
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Ok...

1) Enpi(Transfixion/Scission)
2) Koki(Reverberation)
3) Koki(Impaction)
4) Jinpu(Detonation)
5) Jinpu(Scission)
6) Kasha(Compression)
7) Gekko(Darkness)

[Zempten]

Re: 7 WS Skillchain (New SAM WS Chains)

Say we theoretically have a mob low enough to not resist SCs at all but enough HP to take enough DMG from the max amount of WS from a SAM. What's the increase in DMG per SC for consecutive SCs?