Missing Weapons Skills at 60

[Razoul]

I'm am starting to miss alot more WSs ever since moving from lesser colibri to puks. Just wondering if thats normal or is my gear options to blame. They con as low evasion even in my WS gear so I'm not sure why I'm missing so much more than before. Had a Brd in the party aswell. Hopefully it was just a bad day.

My equip I WS in if that helps:
Jaguar Mantle
Federation Kyahan
Haubergeon
Spike Earring x2
Victory Rings x2
Potent Belt
Sipahi Turban
Chivalrous Chain
Royal Knight's Breeches
Pallas's Bracelets

[tuggler]

Re: Missing Weapons Skills at 60

If 1 DEX = 1 Acc now, then it might be worth trying without your Pallas's Bracelets as these have -5 DEX. I know they also have STR +9, which equates to ATK +9, but it looks like using Pallas may not help with two-handers. I guess you'll have to experiment a bit.

[LilithAngel]

Re: Missing Weapons Skills at 60

The Gigas Bracelet series is now a mixed bag at this point, since 1 STR = 1 Att, and 1 DEX = 1 Acc for 2h. Pallas is essentially STR +9, Attack +9, DEX -5, Accuracy -5. Sure, all that STR is pulling double duty and really making those hits hit hard, but so is that DEX, making sure you'll miss those hits. You now have to work twice as hard to make up for the lack of Accuracy. There are other options out there that provide not at much of an Attack boost, but also don't penalize you with as strong as an Accuracy loss as these things do.

EDIT: Ninja'd the rest of this post. :p

EDIT2: You might wanna take a look at Spiked Finger Gauntlets. Attack +12 can be fairly brutal in WSs, as there isn't much else in that slot that gives a big a boost to STR outside of RSE (if you're of a race that gets STR in the hand slot) as the Bracelet series (which is rather bad for 2h now).

EDIT3: Oh, and also, Puks are natually very evasive. Expect to miss a lot on those bastids anyways.

[Razoul]

Re: Missing Weapons Skills at 60

I was figuring that between the higher base accuracy and a bard that negative dex really wouldn't effect me to much. Maybe eating sushi until i get to a slightly higher lvl might be worth it. I had no problem hitting the lesser colibri so hopefully the next batch of colibri are easy to hit.

[Ziero]

Re: Missing Weapons Skills at 60

How much is a lot? 1-2 per pt or every other WS?

At 60, with that gear, after the 2-handed update and Hasso, you shouldn't be having that hard a time on Puks. There's also the fact Sam use more one hit WS while other jobs all have multi-hit WSs at that lvl so it might make it seem like you're missing more then others. As with One-hit WS it's all or nothing, but a multi-hit can miss 4/5 of it's swings but most people wouldn't even notice.

Maybe try grabbing some acc rings or, and I can't believe I'm actually saying this, Dex rings to help boost your Acc slightly before jumping to Sushi. With Sushi you'd probably have to re-arrange your entire gear set up to maximize att so just trying out Acc/Dex rings may be enough to solve your problem.

[Razoul]

Re: Missing Weapons Skills at 60

Well I guess I could just leave my woodsman rings on. Oh and what I mean by a lot is before I was missing maybe 2 over the course for a 2-3 hour party. Now its more like I'm missing 6 a hour.

[Amele]

Re: Missing Weapons Skills at 60

you're missing on puks because of flash.

about pallas's bracelets: you're looking at -5 acc yes, that's only 2.5 more acc down than you would've had, and you just got handed 30 accuracy out of thin air; the only question on your mind at this point should be: "which is better? 20 attack or 9 strength?"

(even in pallas at 65 I have 90.5% accuracy unbuffed vs. VT crab/crawler)

[Magoo]

Re: Missing Weapons Skills at 60

you're missing on puks because of flash.

about pallas's bracelets: you're looking at -5 acc yes, that's only 2.5 more acc down than you would've had, and you just got handed 30 accuracy out of thin air; the only question on your mind at this point should be: "which is better? 20 attack or 9 strength?"

(even in pallas at 65 I have 90.5% accuracy unbuffed vs. VT crab/crawler)

Exactly. Overall accuracy is still higher with the bracelets than it was prior to the update.

[Razoul]

Re: Missing Weapons Skills at 60

I don't think I was flashed but I'll pay closer attention next time in party. I'm thinking that it might have just been a bad day or just not paying attention to flashes.

[Ziero]

Re: Missing Weapons Skills at 60

Actually come to think of it, Flash could have been the problem. It comes and goes so quickly it's easy to not even notice it. And if you have filters on you probably won't even think twice about it. Try exping on a different mob and see if you get the same results.

[Ryoii/Nonomii]

Re: Missing Weapons Skills at 60

Another entirely reasonable explanation would be that you just went from a 2 Hit weaponskill Tachi: Jinpu to a 1 Hit weaponskill Tachi: Yukikaze. Now you have only one chance to hit instead of two.

If you want to make your Samurai truly versatile, I would strongly suggest getting a Partisan(+1) polearm for use against piercing weak enemies. When your party needs you to come with THF subjob, you should switch back to great katana. This suggestion should be ignored if they change how 1 DEX=1 ACC.

Edit: Rereading your post I believe it is more likely due to flash and blink since you were probably Lv60 when fighting Colibri.

[Necropolis]

Re: Missing Weapons Skills at 60

In addition to flash, the Puk could of had shadows as well. Been a while since I've attacked them, but don't they have the Zephyr Mantle?

From my understanding, it acts like Blink and not utsusemi, so even if attacks prior to the WS hit, it could still have blink up and absorb your WS.

Between Flash and Blink you're bound to miss more WS on puks than other mobs I believe.

[Razoul]

Re: Missing Weapons Skills at 60

I watched for the flashes more and the zephyr mantle and my misses were just slight higher than normal so its all good now.