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  • SC Damage chart: Need help completing it

    Edit: My work is complete! I'll leave the original posts untouched, except for the table, which now has all the corrections.

    This is something I've been working on with the help of a 55 SAM friend of mine who is kind enough to lend me his free time and Meikyo Shisui on a daily basis. Due to the 2-hour timer, though, and no access to WS with Lv.2 properties (yet) our progress has been, and still is very slow. So, I turn to you all for help in completing it, since Samurai are, after all, the skillchain masters. Here's what I have so far.

    Level _ | _1st_ | _2nd_ | _3rd_ | _4th_ | _5th_
    Level 1 | 50%_ | 60%_ | 70%_ | 80%_ | 90%
    Level 2 | 60%_ | 75%_ | 100% | 125% | 150%
    Level 3 | 100% | 150% | 175% | 200% | 225%

    Underscores are simply for spacing. The numbers are, of course, the percentage of the closing WS's damage. Values with a question mark next to them are merely extrapolations. All values for Level 3 skillchains come from second-hand accounts. Due to our limitations, all the values after the 1st column for Level 2 skillchains were obtained by performing Level 1 skillchains before them, and ending the chain with the Level 2 skillchain.

    Here's what I've got so far: Each consecutive skillchain does more damage than the last, even if it's the same level as the previous one. Each skillchain level seems to have its own damage progression. Judging from the values I already have, the increase in power always seems to be by the same ammount, with the exception of a Level 2 performed as the second skillchain (15% increase from 60% to 75% instead of 25% increase.) I believe that there are no bonuses awarded for going up a skillchain level, other than benefiting from its naturally higher damage.

    I need people to confirm that if multiple Level 2 skillchains are done in a row, the progression is 60% -> 75% -> 100%, since these values were obtained by using Level 1's before them as "fillers" and then going up to a Level 2 to end the chain. I also need people to check the missing values (i.e. the ones that I extrapolated) and to confirm the Level 3 ones. Finally, I don't think SE would allow us to increase a skillchain's damage infinitely; my theory is that they stay constant after Skillchain #5, just like with EXP chains. I need confirmation for that too.

    The preferred method of testing is to reserve a Brenner match and skillchain a friend of equal or lower level without any +resistance equipment on (after all, we don't want resists.) Additional members can be added to extend skillchains and/or keep the target alive. Revitalizers can be quarried to renew your 2-hour if you think you can wait up to half an hour to find one. Please turn off chat filters and take screenshots of the damage in the chat log if possible when providing any info for the chart. Af that's not possible, then provide as much information as possible (WS used, damage from WS, damage from SC, player levels, day, etc.) Thanks in advance to anyone who contributes to my little proyect.

    Finally, many of you are probably wondering why I'm doing this in the first place. Well, for one thing, I'm curious by nature. For another, I like to know as much as I can. Finally, I think this has interesting applications. For example, Meikyo Shisui could be used not only for its own damage, but to build up a skillchain for someone else to close with an enormously damaging WS. Imagine if it were true that a Level 3 skillchain will do 300% damage if it's the 5th+ Skillchain in a row; if someone closed Light/Dark for 1500 damage, the resulting skillchain would do 4500 (unresisted,) for a total of 6000 damage, not counting the damage the SAM did!

    Oh yeah, and thanks to Spitbreak, Staccato, and Suzanne for helping me find these numbers ^^ You guys rock :3
    Last edited by Armando; 04-12-2006, 05:53 AM.

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    Re: SC Damage chart: Need help completing it

    I could've sworn that this was already done before and that you can find formula online. I'm surprised no one else has done this before, considering the potential you speak of is already second nature in end game. For example, having 3-4 SAMs spam away on some HNM. You'd think by now some group out there have consistently put out the numbers enough to extrapolate a formula already.

    Edit:

    I'll probably get shot for posting this link, but here goes:

    http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.php?m=topics&s=18

    I think, at least a year ago (So you must delve pretty deep into their archives for that time period) the information there was quite useful, but people only focused on the trolling and name calling on that forum. Much of the contributions were made by end game players, so their experience is probably a lot more closer to the truth, as it were. Might want to look there so you don't end up duplicating work already done when you could be doing something else (or testing other things that has never been done before)
    Last edited by Aeni; 03-29-2006, 12:30 AM. Reason: Addendum

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    • #3
      Re: SC Damage chart: Need help completing it

      Thanks for the link, Aeni. I did some searches but I couldn't find anything. The closest I came was some screenshots Spider-Dan posted of a 6-WS skillchain, but there were some resists so it wasn't very helpful. I did, however, confirm recently that a Lv.2 SC#4 does 125% damage. I'll edit the first post and take off the question mark.

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      • #4
        Re: SC Damage chart: Need help completing it

        I've made some more progress:
        - Confirmed that Lv.1 and Lv.2 SC#5 do 90% and 150% damage, respectively. The table in the first post has been edited to reflect this.
        - Confirmed that these values are independent of the skillchains that came before it. i.e. A Lv.2 SC#2 will do 75% damage regardless of wether it was reached in a Lv.1 > Lv.2 chain or in a Lv.2 > Lv.2 chain.
        - Found that Shell reduces Skillchain damage taken, and is therefore not a form of Magic Defense Bonus, but a "Magic Damage Taken -X%" effect.

        To-do list:
        - Find out wether or not SC#6+ does the same damage as SC#5, or if SC damage simply keeps increasing indefinetely following these patterns.
        - Confirm the Lv.3 Skillchain values.

        Also, I found a great skillchain for SAMs to set up a Lv.3 SC#5 Light for someone else:
        Gekko -> Yukikaze (Induration | 50%) -> Gekko (Fragmentation | 75%) -> Gekko (Distortion | 100%) -> Kasha (Fusion | 125%)
        I couldn't find any other SCs that utilized only the top three WS, or that had that many Lv.2 SCs without having to break the chain early. SC#5 Light can be closed from there with a Fragmentation WS, which hopefully does indeed do 300% damage. Someone else can add a Gravitation (150%) WS after the SAM so that Dark can be made, if necessary.

        Finally, I'd like to thank Bevan and Omecle, who have been helping me recently ^^

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        • #5
          Re: SC Damage chart: Need help completing it

          One final bump. The chart is complete!

          I found values for SC#3-5 for Level 3 Skillchains. Turns out at #3 the pattern changes, and starts to increase by 25% as opposed to 50%. So, SC#5 is 225%, not 300%, unfortunately (though I still think that's fairly powerful.) The first post will be corrected. It should also be noted that the 175% value wasn't confirmed by me personally, I saw it in a video where Discordian's in a G2 Alliance and they do Fusion > Light > Light. However, I'd already established from Level 2 Skillchains that it doesn't matter how you reach the chain, and it also fits the pattern perfectly.

          Also, we succeeded in doing a Level 1 SC#6. It did 100% damage. This disproves my original theory that every SC beyond #5 has the same percentage. If there is a cap, it's probably on the maximum % possible, not on the number of skillchains. I'm thinking 300%?

          Many thanks to Setoilia for healing me just so I wouldn't die mid-skillchain, and to Naj and Ashly for helping me find the SC#4 and SC#5 values of Level 3 skillchains. ^^
          Last edited by Armando; 04-08-2006, 08:02 PM.

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          • #6
            Re: SC Damage chart: Need help completing it

            Kinda beside the point, but what were you fighting that you could ws and sc that many times in a row w/o killing the mob? Seems like 7 ws's and 6 sc's would destroy anything other than HNM's.
            I RNG 75 I WAR 37 I NIN 38 I SAM 50 I Woodworking 92+2

            PSN: Caspian

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            • #7
              Re: SC Damage chart: Need help completing it

              Lol. I reserve uncapped Brenner matches and have the SAMs skillchain me. Depending on who/what is available to me and the length/damage of the skillchains, I'd take varying measures to stay alive. Sometimes I'd get someone in my team to spam cures on me. Other times I'd just do my best to spam medicines and cures. For the Level 3 tests, I had to ask the SAMs to use a Tachi (Level 8 Great Katana) to keep from totally obliterating me. However, their Yukikaze/Gekko/Kashas were still doing 250ish damage even with such a low DMG weapon, so I also used Protect III, ate Fish Mithkabob, and had them put up Defender. That put my Defense over their Attack and lowered the damage on their big three WS down to 100-ish.

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              • #8
                Re: SC Damage chart: Need help completing it

                Wow, well thought out. Very nice.
                I RNG 75 I WAR 37 I NIN 38 I SAM 50 I Woodworking 92+2

                PSN: Caspian

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                • #9
                  Re: SC Damage chart: Need help completing it

                  Heh. Recorded any vids? ^^

                  Good job!

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                  • #10
                    Re: SC Damage chart: Need help completing it

                    Thanks ^^ And, sorry, no videos. All I have is a bunch of screenshots of the chat log The damages weren't very impressive anyways, since we were trying to keep me alive.

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