Thf sub... Sneak Attack Kagero?

[Tipsy]

last 3 ws are based completely on STR;

[Lillia]

A gkt ws does not get the added damage from SA. I've tested this multiple times while farming with tachi: XXX (jinpu kagero goten and koki). There is NO added dmg from SA, the dmg varied about 100 points higher or lower; and some of the SA's were lower (all of these were tested at 300tp)

[gh32]

Re: Thf sub... Sneak Attack Kagero?

I, too, agree that Sneak Attack does not miss, provided that everything is lined up properly. That is, by definition, what a critical hit is: guaranteed, and for extra damage.

[Sepukku]

Re: Thf sub... Sneak Attack Kagero?

Tachi Kagero -> Raging Fists = Fusion, thats a level 2 SC (not a level 1 as you stated) which is nothing to scoff at. Probably should learn your job a bit more (Fully understand all SCs and WSs) rather than just auto engaging and hitting your WS macro when your partner says 100+ TP.

[ibroyles]

Re: Thf sub... Sneak Attack Kagero?

Out of curiosity, why would you want to limit yourself to /THF sub unless it was absolutely needed for the party setup? Especially pre 60. SATA can only be used every minute, and SAMs have the ability to do weapon skills at a much faster rate than that. It seems they would benefit better from berserk for weapon skills, due to the duration of it. Maybe I'm missing something here?

[Nodachi]

Re: Thf sub... Sneak Attack Kagero?

Pre-60 I wouldn't recomend it for anything. Post 60 your WS damage becomes quite good. Moreso when you earn Gekko. Better WS damage, able to place hate and help control it, and make for better renkeis is the reason thief is often subbed. It's also extremely good in most HNM situations. Just nothing where you have to fight it from the front.

[aegina]

Re: Thf sub... Sneak Attack Kagero?

Out of curiosity, why would you want to limit yourself to /THF sub unless it was absolutely needed for the party setup? Especially pre 60. SATA can only be used every minute, and SAMs have the ability to do weapon skills at a much faster rate than that. It seems they would benefit better from berserk for weapon skills, due to the duration of it. Maybe I'm missing something here?

i have read on many forums that /war is the best sub for sam, at least before 60 and possibly still after.
that being said, there is nothing wrong with sam/thf. i just wanted to answer your question

now, back on topic^^...

[Kagerou]

Re: Thf sub... Sneak Attack Kagero?

I was very scared for a moment. Thought there was a conspiracy to sneak attack my account into oblivion.

yes, Sam/War is probably the most efficient sub pre-60. Double Attack and Berserk just says it all.

[Takemura-san]

Re: Thf sub... Sneak Attack Kagero?

sorry i hit record for all i know tachi gekko 2315 no sata no food no berserk it connected with swift blade did 1534 darkness SC

[Nodachi]

Re: Thf sub... Sneak Attack Kagero?

I'm guessing the mob you did it on was for genkei II? Been 75 SAM for quite some time and have never broken 2k, let alone hit 2315 >.>

[Takemura-san]

Re: Thf sub... Sneak Attack Kagero?

>.> it was weird for me too an no not genkai II hit only 1700+ on them w/ SATA lol. but it was on a bird in bibiki bay >.> thf was POed >.> i...... laughed i wish i taped it tho i kept scrolling the log an it said
Takemurasan uses Tachi: Gekko
Takemurasan deals 2315 damage to <w/e the birds are named there i kinda fergot 1 month no playing dos that to u> well i do have +2 sun rings, minuet earrings, onikiri [like any1 uses it to lv with >,,>. ok i'm gonna keep trying for it again. sorry fer jackin the tread lol

[Nodachi]

Re: Thf sub... Sneak Attack Kagero?

Comparing equipment.
This is my current WS setup.
Level 75 SAM.
Kirin's Osode, Shinsoku, Shura Haidate, Aces' Helm, Flame Ring, Raja's Ring, Hachiman Suna-ate, Minuet Earring, Bushinomimi, Forager's Mantle, Warwolf Belt, Spike necklace +1, either Bandomusha Kote or Enkylados' Bracelet. On top of that my GKT skill with merits is 293, I've merited 4 additional STR, and max'd out crit up.
I don't actually ever recall breaking 1.7k on any mob outside of genkai II mobs.
You've got me stumped :/

[Takemura-san]

Re: Thf sub... Sneak Attack Kagero?

your not hte only one the people i pted with were gonna quit till they saw that i have no idea wut happened maybe the server hiccuped or there was a data transfer prob or a glich idk but the whm blm rdm died an my 2hr was used on the second bird [those nasty things link got a link then another link] i guess it was something i'm puzzled myself ;-; wish i was smart enough to find out >.> but i'm not

[IEatMyGil]

Re: Thf sub... Sneak Attack Kagero?

cuz most DD clases in party rely on Point dmg ie dmg at 1 point in time not DoT or dmg over time so SATA would be usefull from experience my WS do more dmg from a SATA combo then a Str + Berserk combo

[ibroyles]

Re: Thf sub... Sneak Attack Kagero?

I guess still commenting on my previous post in this thread left almost 3 months ago? I realize, being THF myself, that most parties rely on that "burst" damage. However, I don't see why you'd limit to ONLY doing burst damage when half the time, SAMs are used to open SCs and not close them. The other half the time, sure you will probably want SATA so you can provide your party with the burst damage needed. However, being THF myself I understand the limitations of my abilities, mainly being that I can't achieve that burst damage except once every minute. In parties at end game commonly you will want to kill a mob faster than that, because for chains higher than 5 I believe you have to kill a mob within 50 seconds(correct me if wrong). Now on this case you WOULD want to rely on DoT as opposed to relying on SATA all the time. But once again, not necessarily a bash on people who sub /THF, as I think its a very necessary subs for certain party setups. Just don't think its the end-all-be-all sub post 60 like some think it is.