SAMs in a PT! And other Q.'s...!

[Funguwari]

I haven't gotten to a high Lv yet, really... (30 WAR is my highest) and I was thinking of going with a job that can benefit the whole PT, so, I was thinking of SAM. Do SAMs increase the PT's damage output by so much that if they (the PT) wouldn't have picked you in the PT that the renkais and MBs wouldn't be as big as to reduce downtime by alot?

Meaning: If there are a DRK and a SAM LFG, will the chains and MB's (from mages due to SAM's skillchain) be higher that the PT's damage output would be higher than getting a DRK and doing his skillchains, etc.?

I don't care about DPS really because I've seen some SAM's in action and they do it decently well... as long as the group is doing more damage, I'm happy.

FOR EXAMPLE; DRK can make a PT (with DPS and MBs and renkais) do XXXX damage more but, if there was a SAM in the PT the PT can be doing XXXXX more as a whole (A.K.A./make the group more effective and efficient?)

Also can a SAM tank? I heard there wasn't alot of tanks at high Lv's and I would like to know if I can tank well. Also, if you have a PLD in a PT, I know he can keep icredible hate on himself... but, what if he has a blackout in his area? A freak d/c? Who will tank? No one will... the group will die, that is why I'd like to know if they can back-up tank, possibly serving as a main one.

Thanks!

[Mikasa]

sorry buddy, you want the best of every world and that just doesnt happen.

A DRK doesn't beat you in damage, he DESTROYS you in damage (becomes very evident lvl 50+)

HOWEVER, what you bring to the party is massive amount of renkei's (3-4 a battle) which allows the mages to magic birst (freeze+distortion = 1800+ damage)

Basically, a samurai bring WS's to a battle. You are NOT the damage dealer, so dont pretend to be one.

[evaporated]

Freeze+Distortion does 1800 damage?

edit: I love this post in 1 minute hindsight. To the random person reading it seems like every random mob you can burst freeze 4 times for 1800(+!) damage a piece. Is this how visions of samurai uberness start up? I can't stop laughing, and this is at 7AM my time before sleep, argh

[Kyoujin]

Also can a SAM tank? I heard there wasn't alot of tanks at high Lv's and I would like to know if I can tank well. Also, if you have a PLD in a PT, I know he can keep icredible hate on himself... but, what if he has a blackout in his area? A freak d/c? Who will tank? No one will... the group will die, that is why I'd like to know if they can back-up tank, possibly serving as a main one.

You can tank reasonably well up to 30. Tanking between 30 and 40 is doable, but very inefficient. You really shouldn’t tank after 40.

As to increasing the number of renkei... A samurai can keep up with two other melee in terms of TP up until about level 50. After that the crappy accuracy of your great katana starts to hose you.

If you're looking for a job with an oriental flair, go monk, you won't regret it. You get style, damage, great weapon skills and thanks to high VIT/HP you can emergency tank if need be [assuming you sub warrior].

[Mikasa]

edit: I love this post in 1 minute hindsight. To the random person reading it seems like every random mob you can burst freeze 4 times for 1800(+!) damage a piece. Is this how visions of samurai uberness start up? I can't stop laughing, and this is at 7AM my time before sleep, argh

you're lvl 60, use your head.

vorpal scythe -----> viper bite (distortion) + MB: Freeze

all together, 1800 damage


so please, get some sleep, read what a person says, and then open up your big mouth.

think before you embarass yourself next time.

[evaporated]

All together wasn't specificed. And as an example you give me a chain without a samurai in it? While you're at it, why don't you make distortion with Sidewinder->Dancing Edge and somehow imply Samurais can reach that total damage ><? And can a dark really vorpal 4x in a normal fight? :O

[Mikasa]

/cry

don't make fun of our slow TP gaining

anyways, you know what i'm trying to say.

SAM is not the 'damage-dealer' they are a class that rip WS's on the mobs.

A sam's BEST FRIEND is a BLM so they can MB four times a fight ^^

[Karinya]

Well, you're right that a BLM's best friend is a SAM (it's even better if you have BLM *and* RDM), but I also think the original poster has a point about SAM increasing the party's damage.

A lot of thieves talk about their high damage when they *finish* a skillchain - and then they count the entire skillchain damage as "theirs" too. They couldn't be doing that much damage if someone else wasn't setting it up for them - both in position, and in starting the skillchain.

If you take another look at party damage output and consider how much the SAM is contributing to every skillchain and every magic burst, the SAM is responsible for a lot of damage that looks like it's coming from someone else. And if the SAM is helping the THF put up big numbers for fuidama, then the SAM is assisting hate control too.

Everyone can see and acknowledge how a BRD boosts their damage, but they don't understand how a SAM does too. SAM does OK at doing damage directly - but they also do well at helping others do damage by setting up skillchains and magic bursts, if the party knows what they're doing.

SAM shouldn't be main tank at higher levels, but make an OK secondary tank (for fuidama setup or emergencies), about as good as monk.