RDM in Campaign

[Mezlo]

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Really? A BD over a Joy? Hmmm... I know BD is nice i'm just thinking the multi-hit is sooo much better for tp building... As fas a WS's go, i'd sub drk or pld maybe and use Vorpal Blade. Vorpal would be better than Evisceration, yes?

[Ketaru]

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Evisceration with Blau Dolch beats the pants off Vorpal Blade with Joyeuse. Joyeuse does overall more damage because it is multi-hit without suffering the sort of lower DMG other multi-hit weapons have. This is, of course, assuming we're talking about single wielding here.

[Armando]

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Only one additional effect works at any time.

Yes, but Sambas will proc on hits that Enspell II doesn't. I.e. any time Joyeuse procs.

But I still wouldn't /DNC if I were a RDM in campaign.

And yes, like Ketaru said Evisceration will beat out Vorpal Blade on a WS-by-WS basis but Joyeuse has more DoT than Blau Dolch and WS's 1.45 times more often.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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Assuming the exp/CN earned is linked to the enmity generated, /DNC is really nice when one continuously take controlled, relatively small amounts of damage, because the TP can be used to gain back HP and generate enmity. That's why PLD/DNC works so well in Campaign Battles, IMO.

RDM, however, do not need to keep taking damage thanks to Stoneskin, Phalanx, and Ice Spikes, Slow II, and damage generates more enmity than cure for each HP taken/restored anyway.* So, it's better for the RDM to use the TP for damage than for cures.

The strongest SJ I found for RDM is actually /DRK.

Stun repeatedly to generate more enmity, Aspir to restore MP on top of Refresh and Convert, Soul Eater and Last Resort when need a big enmity spike to get critter back from some DD trying to tank, and Drain after Convert+Cure IV to fill up the HP bar. Stun also doubles as helper when Stoneskin is down.

When someone really manage to steal a monster's attention? Get a full Stoneskin up, then Souleater + Vorpal Blade and keep hitting and curing until the critter turns. Then, cancel SE, Stun, and put Stoneskin back up. Then, spam Blind and Stun for a while for good measures.


* Well, it's not a completely fair thing to say damage output is stronger than curing damage taken, since monsters generally has better damage over time than players when the players do not have things like Third Eye/Seigan or Utsusemi--i.e. if soloing, one would have plenty to cure without strong damage mitigation measures--maybe a lot to cure even with them. Plus, if HP goes to 0, one earns no exp/CN at all, so curing self is a really good thing. This doesn't apply so much to RDM fighting NQs, of course.

[fairyoracle75]

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I'm RDM and since I have to save for Matt (still have a few pieces to upgrade) and haven't done endgame I'm not buying loads of soloing gear. Once I get past Matt I'll focus primarily on pieces for partying but I do like to campaign. I find it a little annoying most of the good soloing pieces are End Game Pieces or rediculously expensive and people will consider me an "eyesore" since I can't get all the bells and whistles right away.

[Mhurron]

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I find it a little annoying most of the good soloing pieces are End Game Pieces or rediculously expensive and people will consider me an "eyesore" since I can't get all the bells and whistles right away.

You'll get over it.

[Karinya]

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I was about to suggest that actually, Rdm with a Blau Dolch, and a Brutal Earring, probably over a Joy toy. I would go with the following build For TPing.

Blau || Genbu Shield || Ranged/ammo see Note1

Walahra Turban|| PCC or some other Melee Oriented Neck piece || Brutal earring || Hollow or Ethereal if you have it

Goliard Saio|| Dusk Gloves || Torreador's || Raja's

Chuculain's Mantle || Velocious or Swift Belt || Nashira,Pahluwan,Oily,Prince's slops || Dusk Ledelsens

Of course this is an expensive TP set, but this is what I would Melee in.

Heh, I was going to say that blau dolch was ludicrously expensive for something that you're only going to use for campaign... then I saw the PCC, Toreador's, Cuchulain's, swift belt and dusk. If I had that kind of money, I'd go do salvage and get Morrigan's, not blow it on campaign gear.

I often campaign on /sch, which combines reraise with actually *useful* levels of dark magic. After DB you don't have much TP, so swap in staffs for dark arts drain, aspir, and/or Parsimony nukes. Between Dark Arts, enspell resist down and DB's aftereffect, it's not hard at all to land unresisted nukes in Campaign, and then you get the (halved) MP back with B-skilled Aspir (which also benefits from DB). Then when you're done casting after-DB spells, swap back to the melee set and build up TP again.

/drk looks interesting too; although dark magic skill is much lower and there's no Parsimony to save MP on nukes, you have higher attack all the time and can Souleater DB.

P.S. I also second the recommendation of Aquaveil. With Composure it lasts quite a long time now, and it really helps for recasting a stoneskin while under attack.

[Ketaru]

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I find it a little annoying most of the good soloing pieces are End Game Pieces or rediculously expensive and people will consider me an "eyesore" since I can't get all the bells and whistles right away.

I feel like I'm being quoted out of context here. You'd sing a different tune if you have gone through years of listening to people complain about how RDMs have no clue how to gear swap or RDMs like to swing their swords in Errant or Yigit. The frustration in these complaints pales though in comparison to actually watching somebody do it.

Forget the mere job title of RDM for a moment. With all due respect, things like Walahra Turban, Scorpion Harness, and Accuracy Rings are not "bells and whistles" to anybody who wants to melee.

[Karinya]

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With all due respect, things like Walahra Turban, Scorpion Harness, and Accuracy Rings are not "bells and whistles" to anybody who wants to melee.

Swift Belt, Toreador's Ring and PCC, on the other hand... if he says "ridiculously expensive" I'd start with the assumption that he's talking about the ridiculously expensive pieces, not the reasonably obtainable ones. (Although these things do change over time. I remember when SH was a "might as well wish for the moon" piece for most players. Acc rings -- specifically snipers, because it was that or lolDEX -- used to be far more expensive before SE introduced woodsman and several other alternatives.)

Also, since Campaign is designed to be a low-pressure environment where nobody else is really relying on your performance all that much, maybe we shouldn't be so quick to jump down the throats of people who don't build a completely new gear set and macro set before going there? You don't have to wring every possible drop of performance out of Campaign if you don't feel like it. You especially don't need to farm a few million gil worth of gear specifically for the purpose of wringing every possible drop of performance out of Campaign before daring to show your redingote-wearing butt there.

It's relatively easy for people who also have a melee job and some all-jobs (or at least several jobs including RDM) gear to bring it along and swap it in for Campaign, but that doesn't describe all RDMs. Some people need to be a little less judgmental.

[fairyoracle75]

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I feel like I'm being quoted out of context here. You'd sing a different tune if you have gone through years of listening to people complain about how RDMs have no clue how to gear swap or RDMs like to swing their swords in Errant or Yigit. The frustration in these complaints pales though in comparison to actually watching somebody do it.

Forget the mere job title of RDM for a moment. With all due respect, things like Walahra Turban, Scorpion Harness, and Accuracy Rings are not "bells and whistles" to anybody who wants to melee.

I'm not talking about gear swapping or SH or ACC rings which are easy to get pretty much now. I mean things like Dusk which are expensive (last I heard/checked) or endgame items like Genbu Sheild or Goliard. I probably won't have a turban for a while either since on my server its hard for me to find groups doing assualts. Its going to take me awhile to get those things and I intend to campaign in the mean time even if people laugh at me because I don't have those things since I generally solo it and have fun. Being as I have limited play time I'm not even sure I'd be able to earn endgame pieces in the typical point system of most EGLS.

I'm not sure why you were offended by my comment. I just meant I don't like people looking down on me because not being able to get all the best gear right off the bat. Its taken me 3 1/2 years playing on and off to finally approach 70 and the Matt fight. Lots of trial and eror on gil making to keep my RDM and DRG in decently stated gear. For quite a long time I really had trouble making gil and had to park my RDM while I farmed for a month to buy necessary pieces during inflation. I actually don't party unless I have a decent set up for my level. I've had a lot of people pass me up and laugh that I don't have a 75 yet so that's why I'm a little sensitive regarding being called an "eyesore". If I took it wrong I'm sorry.

Also, since Campaign is designed to be a low-pressure environment where nobody else is really relying on your performance all that much, maybe we shouldn't be so quick to jump down the throats of people who don't build a completely new gear set and macro set before going there? You don't have to wring every possible drop of performance out of Campaign if you don't feel like it. You especially don't need to farm a few million gil worth of gear specifically for the purpose of wringing every possible drop of performance out of Campaign before daring to show your redingote-wearing butt there.

This a basically the way I feel. I swap gear I have soloing macros. At this point though when I'm still partying for the majority of my exp I don't have time to make millions for just campaign. I'm there having fun and not hurting anyone and the fact that offends people since I don't have the perfect gear just doesn't make sense to me.

Oh and btw its she not he.

[ShepardG]

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I'll agree with everything so far, That set i came up with was pretty expensive, like i said. I have all those pieces for my others jobs, (Sam,Mnk,thf,pld,war,drk,nin,66drg,66bst) so i just basically have 2 open slots (78/80) when i go campaign on RDM. I will say i got my spellcast macro setup, and it litterly was like playing a different game. I really feel like you could have mediocre gear, or pieces of gear that all cost less than 100k each...(an idea brainstorming in my head) and if your using spellcast, you'll be a better RDM than people with dusk+1, speed belts, allukrops.

Infact...I'm gonna work on a post today/tonight and bascially make a standard AH equipable bag of RDM goodies. Standby for sweets

[Ketaru]

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I probably won't have a turban for a while either since on my server its hard for me to find groups doing assualts

I don't remember how long ago I got my turban, but I'm pretty sure all you need is Imperial Standing to get a turban. You get it by trading truck loads of imperial coins to some NPC in Al Zahbi.

Once again, maybe I took it the wrong way, but then I still see comments from more dedicated melee jobs that still like to laugh about how RDMs "do it wrong", how all we do is feed unnecessary TP to mobs (because RNGs with Kraken Clubs so don't do that at all!), and yes, how we like to melee in our Errant and Yigit. So yes, I get rubbed wrong when I see RDMs that prove that rather than refute that.

On the other hand, I do see a level 50s RDM lately (I don't know what level he is now) who goes to Campaign and he at least wears that Accuracy set that was introduced with ToAU. He even casts status removals on me. So whenever I see him around, I do wish more people would be like him.

It doesn't really even help the job to bring this discussion into the realm of endgame best-of-the-best gear as defining, because then we're suddenly outclassed by WHMs and even BRDs who can, for inexplicable reasons, wear Hecatomb. I'm trying to think about what is attainable because fact is most BRDs don't have Hecatomb (though I do know one that does. She completely shames some "real" damage dealers in merit parties when she has the benefit of partying with another BRD who can take care of the pulling).

[cidbahamut]

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I'll agree with everything so far, That set i came up with was pretty expensive, like i said. I have all those pieces for my others jobs, (Sam,Mnk,thf,pld,war,drk,nin,66drg,66bst) so i just basically have 2 open slots (78/80) when i go campaign on RDM. I will say i got my spellcast macro setup, and it litterly was like playing a different game. I really feel like you could have mediocre gear, or pieces of gear that all cost less than 100k each...(an idea brainstorming in my head) and if your using spellcast, you'll be a better RDM than people with dusk+1, speed belts, allukrops.

Infact...I'm gonna work on a post today/tonight and bascially make a standard AH equipable bag of RDM goodies. Standby for sweets

Hurray for RDM goodies!

Boo for shooting myself in the foot by not picking up Windower + Spellcast.

[fairyoracle75]

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I don't remember how long ago I got my turban, but I'm pretty sure all you need is Imperial Standing to get a turban. You get it by trading truck loads of imperial coins to some NPC in Al Zahbi.

ty I'll look into that. If I can do that I can get it since I Beseiged a lot. ^^

[Mezlo]

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ty I'll look into that. If I can do that I can get it since I Beseiged a lot. ^^

yeah imperial standing points. it takes like 20k of them. or 25k, i cant remember...