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A lot of RDMs I meet seem to be frustrated by the fact that Refresh and Sublimation don't stack. While SE never exactly gave the reasons why, when you think about the mechanics of RDM/SCH as a main/sub combo, it starts to become apparent.
Let's talk first about what RDM gets from the SCH subjob:
- Light Arts and Dark Arts
- Addendum: White and Black
- Penury and Celerity
- Parsimony and Alacrity
- Conserve MP trait
Most of that is just fluff in this discussion, let's focus on Alacrity and how RDM's abilities can impact that.
Alacrity is a JA that cuts your casting timer in half, but it does more, it also halves the recast for that spell. Celerity does the same thing, but that's beside the point since Celerity doesn't affect one rather important spell - Aspir.
Now, RDM can already get recast timers down through the Haste Spell, Haste Gear and March if there's a BRD around. RDM could hit the haste cap with easte. This would actually lower the recast a bit for Aspir. Before Haste, as a SCH, I get about a 24 second recast on Aspir just with Alacrity.
RDM would get a lower recast the SCH would.
So let's say a RDM/SCH does Alacrity Aspir twice. You'd potentially be getting back 300 or more MP by the third casting of Aspir, which would probably only take a little over a minute, give or take. The MP returns would be generous considering Dark Arts kicks up your Dark Magic skill.
Now, let's just assume you could stack Refresh and Sublimation and lets ask ourselves this: If all this could be done, what purpose would Convert serve, if any? A RDM/SCH in Dark Arts against an Aspirable mob never would convert as he probably wouldn't ever have to.
And if they did Convert, they would practically have limitless MP. It only takes four minutes to get those two strategems back, though, and that's a lot sooner than even a meritted Convert timer would be.
BRD and COR don't have this kind of MP recovery, much less the manapool to support such excess gains, so a COR/SCH or BRD/SCH stacking Ballad/Evokers on Sublimation doesn't obselete anything nor does it give them amount of max MP than they had. Sublimation would likely just fill out what MP they had under sub.
And that's if they weren't using Alacrity Aspir themselves, if they were, there might not even be much point to them using Sublimation and they definately wouldn't derive the same benefits from Dark Arts as a RDM would.
So RDMs getting a little flustered should realize that if Refresh and Sublimation did stack, it threatens to diminish the value of Convert or just make it even more godly. There's no middle ground on that one.
I think this was implemented to prevent RDM from encroaching on the territory of BLM and SCH specifically, not to make RDMs feel gimped in the face of SCHs getting Evoker's Roll and Ballad with Sublimation active.
With the kind of MP recovery a RDM/SCH could attain, they could nuke for an impressive amount of damage over time. RDMs these days may downplay thier nuking ability but B skill elemental with Parsimony and Alacrity at your side would be very powerful in conserving MP.
So, in short (too late for short) - its your fault it Refresh doesn't work with Sublimation.
But with all seriousness, if you're a RDM in a PT with a SCH, more often than not the SCH will stop using Sublimation to draw benefit from Refresh instead. Just ask and if they seem to be struggling (I'd call below 1/3rd MP struggling), suggest they drop Sublimation and take the Refresh instead.
SCHs don't bite, I swear. Just ask.
Let's talk first about what RDM gets from the SCH subjob:
- Light Arts and Dark Arts
- Addendum: White and Black
- Penury and Celerity
- Parsimony and Alacrity
- Conserve MP trait
Most of that is just fluff in this discussion, let's focus on Alacrity and how RDM's abilities can impact that.
Alacrity is a JA that cuts your casting timer in half, but it does more, it also halves the recast for that spell. Celerity does the same thing, but that's beside the point since Celerity doesn't affect one rather important spell - Aspir.
Now, RDM can already get recast timers down through the Haste Spell, Haste Gear and March if there's a BRD around. RDM could hit the haste cap with easte. This would actually lower the recast a bit for Aspir. Before Haste, as a SCH, I get about a 24 second recast on Aspir just with Alacrity.
RDM would get a lower recast the SCH would.
So let's say a RDM/SCH does Alacrity Aspir twice. You'd potentially be getting back 300 or more MP by the third casting of Aspir, which would probably only take a little over a minute, give or take. The MP returns would be generous considering Dark Arts kicks up your Dark Magic skill.
Now, let's just assume you could stack Refresh and Sublimation and lets ask ourselves this: If all this could be done, what purpose would Convert serve, if any? A RDM/SCH in Dark Arts against an Aspirable mob never would convert as he probably wouldn't ever have to.
And if they did Convert, they would practically have limitless MP. It only takes four minutes to get those two strategems back, though, and that's a lot sooner than even a meritted Convert timer would be.
BRD and COR don't have this kind of MP recovery, much less the manapool to support such excess gains, so a COR/SCH or BRD/SCH stacking Ballad/Evokers on Sublimation doesn't obselete anything nor does it give them amount of max MP than they had. Sublimation would likely just fill out what MP they had under sub.
And that's if they weren't using Alacrity Aspir themselves, if they were, there might not even be much point to them using Sublimation and they definately wouldn't derive the same benefits from Dark Arts as a RDM would.
So RDMs getting a little flustered should realize that if Refresh and Sublimation did stack, it threatens to diminish the value of Convert or just make it even more godly. There's no middle ground on that one.
I think this was implemented to prevent RDM from encroaching on the territory of BLM and SCH specifically, not to make RDMs feel gimped in the face of SCHs getting Evoker's Roll and Ballad with Sublimation active.
With the kind of MP recovery a RDM/SCH could attain, they could nuke for an impressive amount of damage over time. RDMs these days may downplay thier nuking ability but B skill elemental with Parsimony and Alacrity at your side would be very powerful in conserving MP.
So, in short (too late for short) - its your fault it Refresh doesn't work with Sublimation.
But with all seriousness, if you're a RDM in a PT with a SCH, more often than not the SCH will stop using Sublimation to draw benefit from Refresh instead. Just ask and if they seem to be struggling (I'd call below 1/3rd MP struggling), suggest they drop Sublimation and take the Refresh instead.
SCHs don't bite, I swear. Just ask.
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