RDM Tanking

[Kittyneko]

Re: RDM Tanking

Red Mage tanking has been a lot for HNM and similiar situations (such as Limbus) since a long time, hasn't it? I've always seen Red Mage's tank.

[Callisto]

Re: RDM Tanking

Red Mage tanking has been a lot for HNM and similiar situations (such as Limbus) since a long time, hasn't it? I've always seen Red Mage's tank.

It really depends on the server from what I've seen. Some servers like Bahamut(and I suppose Hades since you've seen it often) had it catch on a good while ago, Ramuh is generally a bit slow to adapt to new forms of tanking though, even PLD/NIN got a slow start here, and NIN/WAR held out for a very long time over NIN/DRK. Hell, there's still some Sky shells here that PLD/WAR tank(which makes for some very hard-to-watch Faust fights).

RDM tanking is still very uncommon on Ramuh, I've actually never seen another shell do it outside of my own, and we've only been trying it for a few weeks. I think a good amount of this has to do with the fact that there's about 8 kabillion 75 PLDs here(kind of funny b/c there's only about 4 Aegis here, and 2 are transfers from other servers), and a PLD can't exactly jump into a different party role when not tanking the way RDM can, so RDMs backline it and PLDs tank.

[Taskmage]

Re: RDM Tanking

Heh, coincidentally Feeler Antlion was the first major thing I tanked as rdm too. I think it would've worked well, but the whole thing went downhill when for some reason nobody was able to target or otherwise pull off the executioner. Freak bug ftl.

rdm/nin can easily solo the DC taurus in sacrarium if you know how to time ichi and fight unlocked for mortal ray. nin/thf would probably have a much easier time, but rdm/nin is doable. Last week my shell made a big run for everyone that wanted belts, made 12 pops, got 5 drops. I believe we had TH2 for all. 1/21 is insanely bad luck, but you know even if the drop rate was 90% there would still be some poor schmuck going ofer 50.

I've only gotten to tank a few big baddies in limbus, FL assault and random stuff like Eald'narche. It's definately a lot of fun. The inability the ramp hate quickly is pretty much our one weakness, but if you can avoid hate resets there's pretty much no turning a mob from you once you get going. My first Omega the pld I was cotanking with popped Invincible toward the end and still didn't get hate.

One thing I'd like to add to the discussion is there is no magic setup that works for everything. Sometimes you need all the fast cast and haste you can get like with Goldemar (shadow wiping MFer ><) but other times you're up against stuff that's no threat to your shadows but can breath you for 1k+ so you need to focus on hp and damage -%. Likewise depending on who's backing you up the value of your gear changes. Most of the time when I'm tanking my relic hat is useless because I've got more than enough refresh from support players, but against the right mob with a scholar at your back a janky swap like suirin obi can be your best friend. It's all about knowing what your allies and enemies are capable of. Great stuff.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: RDM Tanking

Freak bug ftl.

/slap

[Taskmage]

Re: RDM Tanking

No pun intended. <.<

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: RDM Tanking

No pun was possible; antlions belong to the order of Neuroptera, while "bugs" are Hemiptera. Totally different.

(Yes, I had to wiki those terms.)

[Icemage]

Re: RDM Tanking

It really depends on the server from what I've seen. Some servers like Bahamut(and I suppose Hades since you've seen it often) had it catch on a good while ago, Ramuh is generally a bit slow to adapt to new forms of tanking though, even PLD/NIN got a slow start here, and NIN/WAR held out for a very long time over NIN/DRK. Hell, there's still some Sky shells here that PLD/WAR tank(which makes for some very hard-to-watch Faust fights).

Eh... a decently equipped PLD/WAR will still do better than PLD/NIN against Faust in most cases. Better aggro control, and shadows don't help much against Typhoon anyway.

Granted, it's one of the few cases where I'd advocate PLD/WAR over PLD/NIN at endgame these days, but it remains viable.

RDM tanking is still very uncommon on Ramuh, I've actually never seen another shell do it outside of my own, and we've only been trying it for a few weeks. I think a good amount of this has to do with the fact that there's about 8 kabillion 75 PLDs here(kind of funny b/c there's only about 4 Aegis here, and 2 are transfers from other servers), and a PLD can't exactly jump into a different party role when not tanking the way RDM can, so RDMs backline it and PLDs tank.

I never see RDM tanking here on Midgardsormr on anything serious.


Icemage

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: RDM Tanking

No clue what the rest of Ifrit are doing, but 90% of the time my endgame/event LS uses Paladin. Mostly Tarutaru Paladins. ._.

We do use a pair PLD and RDM tank/kiters for Kirin, though. (Yes, Tarutarus again--or, "bite sized baits", as I call them.)

[Callisto]

Re: RDM Tanking

I got to do Kirin again last night, and this time put alot of effort into straight tanking as much as possible once the minis were down. I actually was surprised that I was able to survive and hold hate with the constant cure bombing the WHMs were doing.

I don't know if Kirin is programmed to behave to only use certain moves when you stand in a certain spot, but I got tagged with the Bind TP move he has, so turned and decided to just tank it toe to toe, slapped on my magic reduction gear for Whirlwind/Sandstorm...and he used absolutely nothing but Heat Breath. Like 12-15 straight Heat Breaths, with me stuck right in his face, was doing about 600~ a pop. Since I didn't have to worry about shadows I just kept spamming Stoneskin and Cure IV on myself, but it was really odd to not see a single different TP move for almost 2 minutes, and I never thought I'd sit and hope to see Kirin hit me with Great Whirlwind...

I'm getting better at solo tanking, but it was really cool to work with our main PLD, the LS leader. It's funny b/c I guess the first endgame shell we were in together about 2 years ago he couldn't stand me b/c he thought I was a bit of a diva, but now we've played together enough that we're incredibly in tune w/ each other. Seiryu popped early at one point, took my last shadow, then I got hit w/ Bind from Kirin and Gravity from Seiryu, PLD saw Grav land and dropped party, ran over and started cure bombing me until Seiryu was claimed by someone, somehow I held out until Grav/Bind wore w/o Kirin beating me down and was able to get back to kiting.

And to top it off, holy shit @ this: