RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

[Mhurron]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

All that matters is that the guy had fun, who cares about exp/hour?

Normally yes, however because of the crap the OP is spouting all over the board everything he says is going to be ripped apart lest less experienced players think what he says are good ideas.

That and he's just irritating.

[Sabaron]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

I think you probably made the SMN/SCH pick up a lot of your duties. By not tossing them refresh in favor of Sublimation, you caused the SMN to have to periodically heal themself which costs them MP, and they only get 2/tick refresh instead of 3. They were refreshing slower than normal and losing HP in exchange when they could have had Refresh. That's not good. Why can't you toss them a Refresh? There are only two mages in the PT...

How many Hastes did you throw? Throwing 3 Hastes increases the DD's damage significantly. Oh wait... SMN can do that. What do I need you for again?

I wish that SE had never said anything about making RDMs more front-line effective. Now, every time there's an update, you'll assume that the update is not for the jobs that get the abilities, but rather an indirect way to boost RDM:

You: "Yay! Presents for me!" *swipe*

SCH: "Waah!"

Mom: "Bad Mr. Mageo! That's SCH's Toy!"

Sublimation does not appear to be intended to be RDM's Lazy pole... It's a mage's alternative when RDM is not around. Sublimation reduces a groups reliance on RDM allowing the group to function without one.

Here's an experiment for you...

Edit yourself out of that party, replace with a real DD (or a BRD/WHM) and see how they do. I bet that SMN can heal the PT all by him/herself.

[Ziero]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

Here's an experiment for you...

Edit yourself out of that party, replace with a real DD (or a BRD/WHM) and see how they do. I bet that SMN can heal the PT all by him/herself.

Actually, according to his story, that's what this was as the Smn 'asked' to be the only healer and not have the Rdm refresh/haste others.

And in the end it proves that Rdm melee can be fun, but it's not the best...which I don't think was ever up for debate.

So what exactly this story proves, I can't really say, but at least he seemed to enjoy it

[Sabaron]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

Fun or not, his post is recommending that RDMs not refresh people that sub /SCH (e.g. all WHMs and SMNs who have it) because they have sublimation.

[Vyuru]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

If you listen to anyone on this board you really ought to listen to IceMage for Rdm pearls of wisdom. While there are alot of good Rdm on this board with alot of knowledge I'd probably have to say that IceMage is the Armando of Rdm.

[Icemage]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

The moral of the story is that, while /SCH is indeed an amazing subjob, Refresh is still a superior option for anyone but a SCH main using a Scholar's Mortarboard. It is not an excuse to suddenly not cast Refresh on a mage, unless your MP allowance is so tight that you literally have to cut corners.

Personally, I'm looking forward to finishing my Scholar subjob and trying out RDM/SCH in merits (just hit level 32 SCH last night). With Light Arts, Light Arts Addendum, Regen II, Drain, Aspir, and Sublimation, it's looking to be very much a viable alternative to RDM/WHM. It does sacrifice the safety of Curaga I/II, Divine Seal, Reraise, Auto-Regen, and Erase, however.


Icemage

[TheGrandMom]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

I believe the OP knew when he posted the thread that he'd get people who would be contrary to his opinions. When you do something like that, you should be prepared to receive criticism and not freak out. If he enjoyed his party setup and exp/hr then more power to him. As long as his other pt members were happy, then he can set it up again and reap the benefits. Both sides have valid points and there is no "winner" of this thread, just a bunch of people saying "my way is better". To each their own.

My personal opinion, I'd like more to do as rdm in a merit pt also but I'm realistic and know that the majority of people won't go for that. My time is limited and when I do have the time to log in for more than ls events, I want to play the game and enjoy myself. Sometimes I'm in the mood for some merits on rdm but most of the time I am not. I have very few merits in all my lvl 75 jobs because I spend most of my free time in game making gil or exping another job (because exping is more fun then meriting rdm). I know some people will now lump me in the "melee rdm" catagory but you couldn't be more wrong. My sword skill is probably 1/2 of what it should be so there won't be any poking stuff for me. LOL I play to have fun and only some of the time is the repetative meriting on my rdm actually fun.

[MrMageo]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

He did all himself and asked me not to refresh or haste.
The BRD and I took turns pulling and I slept links im not a retard.

Yes they could have repped me but didn't. If we wanted lots of XP we would have dumped the SMN added a DD and moved to birds.

Its not the fact I was meleeing, i could care less about that, it was just an added bonus. It was the fact that Mages who /SCH are not entirely dependant on Refresh now. It is betterthan sublimation no arguement here but for that few minutes while its on Thats 40+ MP for me to use elsewhere.

[eticket109]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

Didn't we just have this thread?

On a related note, playing since '04 it still makes me giggle sometimes when someone refers to 15k/hour exp as 'sub-par'. I remember two ls mates back in early '05 bitching at each other about whether 6k/hour was feasible or not. How times have changed. Damn kids have it so easy nowadays. When I exped we had to get to and from camp by marching uphill in the snow both ways. Get off my lawn.

[Icemage]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

Didn't we just have this thread?

On a related note, playing since '04 it still makes me giggle sometimes when someone refers to 15k/hour exp as 'sub-par'. I remember two ls mates back in early '05 bitching at each other about whether 6k/hour was feasible or not. How times have changed. Damn kids have it so easy nowadays. When I exped we had to get to and from camp by marching uphill in the snow both ways. Get off my lawn.

It is sub-par, when there are any number of better options. The whole notion of "par" in golf is what would be considered slightly above average. 15.7K these days doesn't even tip the scales at average for me, though I agree I'd have been thrilled with such XP earnings back before ToAU was released.

By the by, I'll have my fifth FFXI anniversary on June 21, 2008.


Icemage

[eticket109]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

Oh I agree based against other current options it could be looked at that way. I just think it's funny when we wouldn't have even dreamed such rates back in ye olden days.

[MrMageo]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

I agree 15.7/hr is sub par as well by todays standards, I hit 20K+ without breaking a sweat in colibri TP Burns. But we were running three DD's and a 3rd wheel RDM melee so we weren pumping as much as if we had 4 DD's 1 backline healer and a BRD. Hell I get 6-8K/hr in Campaign. We were going along at our own pace the party worked we all got XP i was happy the DD's were happy, the BRD was happy and the SMN was ecstatic. We all got 2-3 Merits so in the end we all won, no harm no foul. Except on FFXIONLINE forums apparently.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

Except on FFXIONLINE forums apparently.

Well, you could try posting the same post on BG, KI, Alla, etc and see what response you would get.

[Pai Pai Master]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

Heh. 15.7k/hr is five billion times better than what I'm used to.

[Celeal]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

There is nothing wrong to with having fun trying new stuff from the updates.... but the *wow wow wow* in the OP is very misleading.

After reading the post, my impression of merit parties change from *invite the RDM as the high priority* to *RDM is now exchangeable*

To be fair, Sublimation is available for mage/SCH at level 70+. Now wait and see how other mage/SCH and tank do from level 41 to 69 without a RDM in party.