RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

[MrMageo]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

Im currious to see as well.

As for the wow wow wow, why does it automatically default to XP.

wow wow wow i got and e sword
wow wow wow i just had a fun party
wow wow wow i got 27K/hr

see all differnt things all use wow wow wow. Instead of basing a post off of the first 4 words i type try reading the whole post (not too you Cel, to the other 6 epeens who assume i only talk about leet xp/hr)

[WishMaster3K]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

[Moderator's Edit: Flaming isn't allowed. - Icemage]

Honestly, if I made a post with the same party setup, people would ask me my input, my observations and where I think I could have done better. In fact, I made a "RDM-Melee" thread, and there was all sorts of positive input because how I approached the situation. In the end though, I deemed that it wasn't feasible, so I let the idea drift into obscurity.

You, think you can do no wrong, for some reason..

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and take you on your word.

But don't you think that the SMN could have done SO much better if you had refreshed him?

Good lord, we need Lufaise Meadows parties again.

[MrMageo]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

I was asked not to refresh him or cast haste, by him

Regardless if you gave up on melee or not dosent change the fact that I have made it work. I have provided substatial Evidence i can melee well enough to be a RDM/DNC but i get flack for that. Why should I bother providing substatial evidence to prove I can melee effectivley otherwise. So you rdm melee haters can crawl out from whatever rock you collecivley hide under.

"pssst. theres a rdm out there that says he can melee decently, we better go derail his thread so no one will buy into it"

I dont care what you think about RDM melee It works for me, dosent disrupt the party, and I enjoy it. I dont care if you sit on the backline, it works for you, dosent disrupt the party and you enjoy it. I dont go into RDM backline forums and say lolrdm backline. Backline works and melee works (if you put time and effort into it) I didnt give up on it even though it was deemed fruitless. 40-75 you dont have access to alot of the better gear, you cant merit your sword for increased accuracy. I never melee'd until i was in my early 70's when i got my joy toy. Even then it was scarce and was only for being a 3rd wheel SC partner.

I dont know how many times i need to say its situational. But i know when and when not to use my sword. I know when and when i dont need my elemental staves.

Im tired of defending myself and my play style to people that have no intrest other then to deter myself and others from trying it.

If someone were to ask "Oh what gear do you use, whats your skill level, hows the damage and ACC" I would give them details. But when people come and ask "LOL I BET GIVE ME A PARSE OR I DONT BELIEVE YOU" I wont give shit. Im not doing it to please anyone but myself. If someone genuinely interested asks for my advice on it I will happily give them some. If someone comes in to just berate me because i do things differently i will happily tell them to go fuck themselves.

Its a 2 way street courtesy goes a long way. If you ask nicely I will be nice. If you act like a dick, so will I.

[Omniblast]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

15k or 27k per hour is good, phenomenal even. I usually get 10k or less for me.

Thanks for sharing how much MP a SMN/SCH can output. I can look forward to that when I finally get my SCH to 35/37.

I don't know why the SMN didn't ask for Refresh. The only reason why I think that happened was because he wanted to see if he could make it work without a RDM hasting. I mean a Bard adds an additional 3 mp/tick, adding all the other mp/tick together he could have about 10 mp/tick, with a red mage, it would be 13 mp/tick, enough to keep out any avatar basically, and spirits if he merited spirit -perpetuation.

[eticket109]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

The huge bolded font doesn't help you emphasize your points. If anything it just results in people ignoring what you have to say.

[MrMageo]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

I think he was doing it to see is Main Heal potential. He was using avatars how SMN's do (summon, BP or ward, dispell) I think he did a good job, I only needed to step in and main for a bit when he got over zelous and MB'd 4 SC's in a row. But having a good main heal, and another decent main heal (I wasnt /whm) is a pretty good safety net. Id happily do it agin with refresh/haste cycles or without. I really want to see a WHM in action now though. Provided its the same circumstance and they decline refresh/haste so its a similar scenario as the SMN.

Either way i think its going to be nice to have some company on The backline again. TP Burn with planned SC's and no downtime was really nice and i hope to see more of it.
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The huge bolded font doesn't help you emphasize your points. If anything it just results in people ignoring what you have to say.

It got your attention didnt it

[Celeal]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

But remember, this update is still new, there will be room for adjustment and improvement.

As for a party that testing the new changes, actually the OP's party setup is very smart (RDM, SAM/WAR x2, WAR/NIN, BRD, SMN/SCH):

If for any reason SMN/SCH did not work out, the RDM can still cover it. Include SAM in party to see the SAM's new JA and Skillchain changes, include WAR to see the new Retaliate JA in action.

One *test drive* party to see these new updates, in a very safe and reasonable way.

[eticket109]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

It got your attention didnt it

Yep. I saw it and scrolled right past it and the rest of your post.

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

I think the SMN/SCH didn't want refresh because he wanted to try that new neato self refresh thing (yeah yeah i know i havent been keeping up with the SCH update).

But you have to agree it would have helped his performance a bit more if he had that extra MP boost with the RDM refresh you know

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

I was asked not to refresh him or cast haste, by him

The request for Hastega should have send up a warning flag immediately. You should have made a counter-offer: "After trying it your way for a while, can we switch back to RDM Haste and full-time Refresh for you to see if that works better?"

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TGM has an interesting idea; copy your OP, and post it on Order of the Blue Gartr.

[MrMageo]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

Ya but his wish is my command, being asked to not cast refresh or haste was a first for me, and hard to break the habbit. But if we didnt have a BRD i would have told him otherwise.

BG is weak, nice for informaion bad for sharing stories. (which this is) Id much rather post it here maybe alla but they all drama queens over there.

[Icemage]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

BG is weak, nice for informaion bad for sharing stories. (which this is) Id much rather post it here maybe alla but they all drama queens over there.

Translation:

"I know if I post it on any other forum I'd get roasted like a marshmallow over a campfire, so I figured I'd post it here, since the rules explicitly don't allow people to directly insult me."

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There's nothing wrong with experimentation, but part and parcel with that is the necessity to look at the data objectively.

By the by, were you even Dispelling? I'd wager quite a lot of the slow kill speed on this particular case was due to Warm Up not getting properly dispelled.


Icemage

[MrMageo]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

>.> of course i was dispelling, It wasnt slow kill speed it was lack of mobs. There were 3 blues and a mage killing them in the pass (to mamook) as well. I can only assume they were trying to learn warm up. After 45 minutes they left the last hour was alot better as we had more to kill. Id say the XP was about 30/70 overall.

[Icemage]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

>.> of course i was dispelling

You'll forgive my skepticism, but in your ever-more desperate attempts to convince this board that your melee build is anything more than a curiosity, you've taken a lot of liberties with the numbers, and it's doing your credibility a disservice.

It wasnt slow kill speed it was lack of mobs. There were 3 blues and a mage killing them in the pass (to mamook) as well. I can only assume they were trying to learn warm up. After 45 minutes they left the last hour was alot better as we had more to kill. Id say the XP was about 30/70 overall.

See above.

As for why anyone would pick the Nyzul staging point spot to learn Warm Up - that seems pretty absurd to me, but people do stupid things all the time. Not only is Nyzul full of pet-enabled enemies, but it's pretty annoying to pull them. They'd have been better served fighting inside Mamook itself, where it's easier to isolate enemies.


Icemage

[MrMageo]

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

Ya i agree but what can you do to each there own.