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**BurningPanther** · 03-11-2008, 11:14 PM

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

Did you notice any difference in En-spell resists?

**MrMageo** · 03-11-2008, 11:24 PM

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

my enblizzard (i think thats the mamool weakness) I hit for 32 pretty regularily. (my base 19 + enhancing sword + fencer ring+ that earring hollow or something) had some ocasional resists but no where near the amount as before. Id say about 95% was a full hit. As for MB's and SC resists, its been a while since I MB'd but my Blizzard III was hiting for 650 without a staff pretty consistently, and Thunder hit for 700 as well. Most ive gotten out of it I imagine 750-800 MB's with the staff.

**ItazuraNhomango** · 03-12-2008, 12:04 AM

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

Originally posted by MrMageo View Post

Well I just got out of my first post update party and all i can say is wow.

Wow
wow
wow
wow.

Party setup RDM/NIN,SAM/WAR,SAM/WAR,WAR/NIN,BRD/NIN,SMN/SCH
Target: Mamool Ja
Location: Nyzul Isle
Duration: 1:45
EXP Earned: 27.4K

wow
wow
wow
wow

again.

27.4k exp / 1.75hr = 15,657 exp/hour

It's OK, but doesn't quite deserve eight 'wow' and an 'again'.

Originally posted by MrMageo View Post

The SMN/SCH was rarely in need of Refresh as they had sublimation and Mega Aspir, as well as Ballad x2. I didnt need to cast Haste as the SCH had ample MP to Cast Hastega, and even MB'd a few times.

If you had given the SMN Refresh and offloaded the Hastes for the frontline, he may have had the MP to add to damage output with Lv.70 BPs every two or three fights. Probably would've done more damage that way than your melee'ing. (*ducking angry melee RDM's swings*)

Hastega is 150 MP for 90 seconds, or 100 MP/min.
Haste is 40 MP for 180 seconds, or 13.33 MP/min.

Haste x4, then, is 53.33 MP/min. That's nearly twice as efficient as Hastega. If the SMN can possibly find better use for his MP than Hastega, he should--and have the RDM (and/or WHM, if there's one) in the party Haste the frontline instead.

Originally posted by MrMageo View Post

This Update has made RDM such a great part of a meripo now.

No one sent a memo stating that RDM wasn't a good part of meripo scene before... Darn.

Originally posted by MrMageo View Post

We can finally focus on our old school duties enfeeb/support/back up healing/MB and of course melee.

RDM didn't melee in meripo in the "old times" much, BTW.

And, for Mamool Ja, Enfeeb (Silence, Dia, Dispel) has always been the standard for RDM.

Originally posted by MrMageo View Post

With the several minutes between refresh casting (when it was needed) there was so much time to do all the traditional stuff.

You misunderstand the purpose of Refresh; it's to give other magic users more MP to do stuff, so we don't have to spend the MP ourselves--40 MP from us for them to do 150 MP worth of work.

Not giving full-time Refresh to a job which can always use more MP (like SMN) is not just lazy, it's self-defeating.

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Between the Hastega and the wrong-headed attitude toward Refresh, it's obvious that party of yours suffered from inefficient use of MP. You may have done much better exp/hour wise if you've been more careful on how you spent your MP.

**Omgwtfbbqkitten** · 03-12-2008, 12:27 AM

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

Actually, I'd say WotG and this update didn't make RDM (or BRD and COR, for that matter) more essential to PTs, but more of an option to PTs.

Which is really the way it should be. And more diverse PT setups mean move variety for all to experience.

But its clear some people want to hold on to thier diva mentalities while they still can.

**MrMageo** · 03-12-2008, 12:35 AM

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

Hmm I see i get picked apart no matter what it is, wether its a hypothesis or facts from a test. Seems theres no way around the pig heads in this place. I had a good time partying and had my opinion changed.

People like you are the reason i dont like TP burns, if you did this and this differently you coulda had X amount more XP. Who cares we all had a good time and were happy with 15k /hr. Why didnt i cast refresh, or haste, because the SMN said he wanted to try and main it. So i let him, people like to test things. So now im sure there is a site up with a SMN saying he just main healed a meripo to 15K/hr /SCH, which he did.

Also I dont know if you are familiar with the Mamool camp in Nyzul Isle, but there are only about 10 Mobs to pull from, you expire them pretty quickly as well. Highest chains we got were 13 and that included the pets.

If they were really worried about grinding a potential 2K extra from the camp they would have repped me with anoth melee. As it stood we all had a good time and i got 3 new merits.

But i guess fun isnt acceptable in this game anymore. After all Time is money >.>
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Also for the record i did not mention I was an integral part or needed in every meripo. I stated RDM is great in a meripo because now we have time to do other things then main heal you know kinda like the job is described "Using the power of black and white magic and a sword".

**Omgwtfbbqkitten** · 03-12-2008, 12:45 AM

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

You don't really do tests. Merit PTs aren't really how its done.

Additionally, MBs on Colibri? how many people ate the return fire there?

Not that I don't believe you about the SCs, I've seen those myself, but its your wild claims about your performance that I find suspect.

**MrMageo** · 03-12-2008, 01:42 AM

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

MB's on colibri are you on crack, I was fighting mamool

TARGET MAMOOL JA

ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE MAMOOL CAMP IN NYZUL ISLE?

ALSO IF I'M GOING TO XPING ON RDM IT WILL BE IN A MERIT PARTY
SO YES IT IS HOW ITS DONE
YES MERIT PARTY TESTS ARE FOR MERIT PARTIES
I NEVER SAID I TESTED MELEE IN A NON MERIT PARTY
MY TEST WAS IN A MERIT PARTY THERE FOR IS HOW IT IS DONE

RDM/DNC IN A COLIBRI MERIPO

NOT IN A 1-75 XP

**ItazuraNhomango** · 03-12-2008, 02:17 AM

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

Originally posted by MrMageo View Post

People like you are the reason i dont like TP burns, if you did this and this differently you coulda had X amount more XP. Who cares we all had a good time and were happy with 15k /hr.

You have the wrong idea about me; I take invites from SMN, WHM, BLM--definitely not the type who insists on 22k/hour or else I fake d/c.

However, it seems like such gushing enthusiasm for an update which didn't seem to actually do much for exp/hour in the configuration you specified was ... unwarranted. The premise was "This is so much better," but the actual story didn't bear that out upon a closer examination.

(BTW, You're the one who listed the exp and duration--I was just curious so tossed them to my spreadsheet.)

The rest of the stuff? Just a reality check; skimping on Refresh and Haste to "free up" time to melee has cost associated to it--worth pointing that out, I think.

There's nothing wrong with a relaxing party, nor a swiss watch precision limit point grinding machine. Both are enjoyable, as long as you know which one you're in and have the right expectations for it.

What I enjoy the most about RDM in merit parties, is that I often find new little tricks to work efficiently or do a little more for my fellow party members. I can do that in SC+MB party, in WS Spam party, and even in odd-ball parties where a RDM/WHM ends up a puller.

Originally posted by MrMageo View Post

Also I dont know if you are familiar with the Mamool camp in Nyzul Isle, but there are only about 10 Mobs to pull from, you expire them pretty quickly as well. Highest chains we got were 13 and that included the pets.

I haven't played puller there, so no clue.

You can ask Icemage what kind of exp chain and exp/hour he gets off the Mamool Ja, though, since it's his favorite merit target, IIRC.

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You get picked apart because your stories don't hold up.

(And, yes, BBQ didn't read your entire post carefully--I'm an equal opportunity picker!)

**Omgwtfbbqkitten** · 03-12-2008, 02:27 AM

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

Originally posted by IfritnoItazura View Post

(And, yes, BBQ didn't read your entire post carefully)

My blatant ignorance toward the topic is vastly outweighed by the topic's own stupidity. Can't you see I'm trying to steer this off-topic as quickly as I can?

**MrMageo** · 03-12-2008, 02:48 AM

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

my exagerted enthusiam is for my own enjoyment, it wasnt a wow wow wow we got 15K xp/hr, it was a wow wow wow i had fun in a ToA TP style party. Generally i find them boring which is why i dont like them. But the fact I didnt have to main heal, and the fact i wasnt required to cast refresh or haste every ingame hour was nice. I could have easily kept a haste/refresh cycle from the front line i do it often. The SMN had more then enough MP to do lvl 70 BP's he did a few times but that was his choice. I dont like it when people tell me how to play a job so i dont do it to them.

As it was i was asked not to haste/refresh for the party because the SMN wanted to see how well he could handle main healing with ballad alone. He did a bang up job IMO and as it stood my HP was the only one in the yellow (latent on ring).

It was a special case scenario and I had fun with it. Knowing a SMN can survive without refresh is nice to know if im feeling lazy and dont wish to doll it out the party will still survive.

If there was no BRD i would have come /WHM to help him out but as it stood I had fun they had fun and we all got some XP.

**ItazuraNhomango** · 03-12-2008, 02:59 AM

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

Originally posted by MrMageo View Post

If there was no BRD i would have come /WHM to help him out but as it stood I had fun they had fun and we all got some XP.

I forgot; did you ever finish leveling /WHM as support job? Or, at least high enough have Erase? Erase and -na are useful for Mamool Ja spell casters, after all.

**MrMageo** · 03-12-2008, 03:38 AM

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

ya its lvl 35 now, stopped it again cuz all i really get are teles and shellra 2 been busy with other jobs nin to 34, drk to 30, blu to 30 (spellhunt again so holding)
SMN to 37, PLD to 27, war the same. Im glad i have no life and am on holidays right now get this crap outta they finally, between my endgame stuff and work havent had anytime to do it. Erase is pretty nice to have but i still dont like /WHM im biased against it, not for any particular reason, it just dosent feel right.

**Icemage** · 03-12-2008, 07:35 AM

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

Originally posted by IfritnoItazura View Post

You can ask Icemage what kind of exp chain and exp/hour he gets off the Mamool Ja, though, since it's his favorite merit target, IIRC.

I can't remember the last time I made less than 20K per hour at the Nyzul Isle Mamool Ja, let alone the Mamool Ja Staging Point.

15.7K per hour is pretty subpar at that camp.

Incidentally, one Refresh = about 1 offensive Bloodpact, which is way more damage than you'll ever see from flailing away with an Enhancing Sword during the ~3 seconds it takes for you to cast it on the SMN.

I feel bad for your overworked BRD/NIN if you're not backing him up with some Sleep IIs. Nyzul Isle's MJ have a nasty tendency to link in packs if you're going for high chains.

In any case, the sad part of this narrative is that it's basically one person who's so desperate to be non-confirmist and not be a cure-tank that they've forced another job who has a much better reason to not do so (SMN) into the role instead.

Icemage

**Balfree** · 03-12-2008, 07:43 AM

Re: RDM and the WoTG My opinion changed

All that matters is that the guy had fun, who cares about exp/hour?

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