Refresh II

[Mhurron]

Re: Refresh II

Meh, it will die on it's own, just like every other one.

[Murphie]

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People keep saying that about Feba, but it has yet to happen.

[Mhurron]

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The difference is Feba keeps showing up to remind people he exists. These only come up every 3 months or so when people remember an update is coming.

[Murphie]

Re: Refresh II

Touché.

[Akashimo]

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/em casts Raise V on Feba.

ooops.

[Murphie]

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I knew some idiot was to blame.

</3 Aka

[Vyuru]

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Lemme get comfy...

/ma "Smorega" <me>
/ma "Big Comfy Chair" <me>

Ahhhh, all set.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Refresh II

The trouble here, essentially, is this: what's most efficient isn't situational enough. The most efficient XP/hour in the game is meleeburning imps, hands down.

WS spam party as is can be a little too good exp/hour wise in comparison with SC+MB or hybrid style with WS spamming but with a true tank, but I think adjusting the exp system is a better idea than changing RDM as a fix.

As is, not all my invites to meriting are from WS spam parties; lack of player seeking at times means parties are put together whichever way works from whatever is available. PLD/WAR tanks, NINs who actually try to tank, BLMs, WHMs, SC+MB--I've had them all, including a Lufaise Meadows party a few months back. The point is, getting a working party rolling is more efficient than camping for a BRD or COR or WAR/NIN x3 for two hours.

Meripo is not the whole of a RDM's universe, and even there WS spam isn't all there is. Heck, I know I spend farm more time farming than meriting in the last month. If not for Assault, Limbus, Sky/Sea runs, I would been using my sword more often than staves, for sure. (At least 90k limit points in the last three and half weeks, BTW; mostly from campaign, but also a great deal from Sky farming and Assault, too. Zero merit party...)

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Given that about 1/4 of my parties on SCH (Lv.43 so far) had SC+MB set up, I'm not quite ready to pronounce SC+MB at lower levels dead, either. (My last party was especially fun: NIN, SAMx2, SCHx2, RDM; triple MBs on frequent Distortion.)

[MrMageo]

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Meripo is not the whole of a RDM's universe, and even there WS spam isn't all there is. Heck, I know I spend farm more time farming than meriting in the last month. If not for Assault, Limbus, Sky/Sea runs, I would been using my sword more often than staves, for sure. (At least 90k limit points in the last three and half weeks, BTW; mostly from campaign, but also a great deal from Sky farming and Assault, too. Zero merit party...)

Well said and i agree 100%.

I thinkif the new emperor band gave a xp boost of epress band + sanction to only RoZ/CoP zones we will see a revival of traditianl SC+MB parties.

The fact is RDM melee is not broken it works how it was designed its just that it has been neglected for far too long. Even an update that raised RDM damage output or a spell restructuring that freed up time for a RDM would not bring it to the frontline. However a Decent WS or reason to Melee TP > MP for example would provide a more justifiable reason.

I am an advocate for both sides of the fence RDM melee is an important part of and XP or endgame situation, just not in the way parties work now. The SC + MB i participate in often allow me to melee, for the sole reason to be a SC opening WS with savage blade or evisceration.

The dependencies we have on staves are nullified by fighting tougher enemies with more than a few K HP, not necassarily IT++ but Wivre for example in Nyzul Isle offer a good example they are VT-IT and offer a RDM melee the pportunity to WS and Burst. Unfourtunatly the Fast XP parties of Colibri or Imp have taken away from that aspect of the game.

Its entirely on the developers to fix the situation but the answer is not in changing RDM but XP dynamics themselves. If its from changing XP floors as you imply (which i think is a grand idea) or Bringing us back to old haunts to take on thicker skinned mobs for the same XP bonus we recieve in ToA zones through this new emperor ring.

Doing this i think will invite for RDM to melee more often, Being a WS partner for a 3rd wheel DD would be a great asset, or being a 2nd WS partner for a SAM comes ti mind.

The only improvement i would like to see to RDM is ENLIGHT ENDARK, and possibly teir 2's for soloing. If Teir 2's are implemented they should be MP-DMG consistent if they jump it to say 30-40 DMG (which may be a little high) then the spell should cost 30-40 MP.

[Tsrwedge]

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Given that about 1/4 of my parties on SCH (Lv.43 so far) had SC+MB set up, I'm not quite ready to pronounce SC+MB at lower levels dead, either. (My last party was especially fun: NIN, SAMx2, SCHx2, RDM; triple MBs on frequent Distortion.)

I had a similar setup on Sauromugue Beetles with my SCH - swap the melees, and a BLM instead of an RDM. We absolutely tore through those things.

[Yellow Mage]

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/vote lock

BBQ was right when he said any intelligent discussion left with MrMageo. I personally don't like him, because he's an lolmeleeRDM: the kind that make the rest of us look bad. I'm going to personally add him to my ignore list after this post.

And for heavens' sake, you don't use ad homenims on ad homenims! It's like "you suck," "no, you."

Any intelligent discussion regarding any adjustments to Red Mage will have to be saved for another thread. Personally, I'm waiting for the job adjustments announcements. That will be the aforementioned thread, or so I hope.

So, yes: lock this smoldering pile of flames.

[Krut]

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It was just an arguementative post im getting rid of it.

[Lmnop]

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So much text I even stopped reading Itazura's posts.

[Akashimo]

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So much text I even stopped reading Itazura's posts.

Pretty much.
Same with Malacites.
And the last 5 pages.

[Luna]

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BBQ beat me to the punch, but it's RDM/SCH for nuking now, not RDM/BLM. Further, if RDM can't nuke then neither can SCH. We allow SCH to nuke and say they are "fairly good at it." If your RDM isn't using the proper gear and sub for the task at hand then of course it's effectiveness will be lacking... apart from things that are static like Haste, Refresh and Cure.



SCH can't even get 2/4 MAB traits without subbing BLM, and potentially has less Elemental skill than RDM, so it would step on their toes just a bit.

LMAO!! this post isnt even worth me responding to really, honestly i'm sorry to say but what lvl is your SCH? and what lvl is your RDM? do you have them both to 75? I've just asked atleast 4 RDM's In my HNMLS and their response............. "RDM can nuke good... on T or lower" omg! I'm sorry to break your heart.

bah I'm not ever posting here on this topic again lol too many ppl who 1. dont know shit, or 2. are really really bored so they say the wrong things just to spark people like me into replying well off to lvl lol see ya guys in a much more "beautiful" thread.