Hello All

[Evion]

Well, I'm a lv 52 RDM and I'm making my Macros. I just read the entire RDM macro thread and I wanted ask a poll question. From all the posts I noticed two different styles of setting macros. These two styles:

Style 1 Buffing:
CNTRL1:
/equip main "whatever equip" <me>
/ma "Refresh" <t/me>
CNTRL2:
/equip main "whatever equip" <me>
/ma "Regen" <t/me>
CNTRL3:
/equip main "whatever equip" <me>
/ma "Protect II" <t/me>

OR

Style 2 Buffing:
CNTRL1:
/equip main "whatever equip" <me>
/ma "refresh" <t/me>
/wait 7 sec
/ma "regen" <t/me>
/wait 6 sec
/ma "protect II" <t/me>

Please let me know which style is better and why/when.

Thank you,

Evion

[Mhurron]

Re: Hello All

One spell per macro makes it easy to adapt to changing requirements. What are you going to do if as soon as Regen or Protect begin casting your party gets a link? You would have to wait until the current spell is done casting before hitting your sleep macro and retargeting.

Also, what are you going to do if you need Protect casted and not Refresh or Regen, or Regen and not Refresh or Protect? Go hunting for it in the menu every time? What was the point of macroing in the first place?

[Ellipses]

Re: Hello All

With practically any group of spells, the number of situations where you'll want to cast just one of them outnumbers the number of situations where you'll want to cast all of them. The only times I could see combining them are when you're absolutely sure you're going to need them all, all at once, every time you need any of them, or if the MP cost and casting times are going to make less of a difference than two macro slots.

[Evion]

Re: Hello All

Sorry about the Thread title. Could a Moderator change it to something like "RDM Macro Style Poll" if you see this? Any, thanks for the info Mhurron.

[Tsrwedge]

Re: Hello All

About the only situation I could see the chain macro being effective is in a Convert macro - Divine Seal, Convert, Cure 4

[Mhurron]

Re: Hello All

About the only situation I could see the chain macro being effective is in a Convert macro - Divine Seal, Convert, Cure 4

I have had macros with more then 2 spells. One had Shock then Paralyze, the other had Slow then Gravity. I used <stnpc> instead of <t> or <bt> which easily allowed me to back out of the macro if needed.

Shock/Paralyze - This was first casted early in the fight, and I had it down that I could cast 2 spells between Refresh casts. This was when I was subbing /blm because I wasn't main healing. (or I forgot to switch)

Slow/Gravity - Slow always got cast, Gravity was cast if nothing happened while Slow was being cast.

I did these to save on macro space. The only other doubled up macro I had was with Sleep/II for different reasons.

I have more gear swaps now with going from INT to MND spells so I don't mix them any more.

[Evion]

Re: Hello All

What about a pre-fight solo situation? Chain macro should be good then... Also, it seems I start out each fight with DiaII, Slow, Paralyze. Why not chain macro that?

[Sabaron]

Re: Hello All

I have one macro that does more than one thing and this is it:

/ma "Utsusemi: Ni" <me>
/wait 1
/ma "Utsusemi: Ichi" <me>
/ma "Blink" <me>

I call this the shadow macro. It will automatically cast Ichi when Ni is down if I click it. Blink is the alternate if I don't have /NIN. The "/wait 1" is required. If you try it without the wait you're Ichi will never go off.

This is the only multi-action macro I use--everything else has it's own button and many of those actions have 4-5 equipment swaps and a very few have a party spam line to notify members of the action (e.g. Sleep, Bind).

I do use a nifty little doodad I call the "Cancellable Equipment Swap" which is this:

/ma "Thunder III" <stnpc>
/ma Nothing <stpc>
/equip main "Thunder Staff"
.
.
.

Basically, after I commit my Thunder III, another purple cursor appears and if I cancel it, my equipment doesn't swap. This allows me to use the same nuke macros while meleeing as when I'm back-lining. Canceling the macro won't waste my TP and I don't have to make two pages of macros for nukes.

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Oops... I forgot that my Convert macro, like most RDM's is 3 actions in one.

/ja "Divine Seal" <stpc> //-- <stpc> to keep me from doing it on accident.
/p {Convert}! Don't freak out!
/wait 1
/ja "Convert" <me>
/wait 1
/ma "Cure IV" <me>

[Evion]

Re: Hello All

That IS nifty... So, the "Nothing" doesn't do anything other than target something? Then, you either execute the target to equip or not to not?

[Mhurron]

Re: Hello All

What about a pre-fight solo situation? Chain macro should be good then... Also, it seems I start out each fight with DiaII, Slow, Paralyze. Why not chain macro that?

You could do it for a pre-fight, but limited macro spots would probably dictate to do that in another macro set since you'll probably need to recast them and they probably (hopefully) won't wear off at the same time.

Again, with Dia, Paralyze and Slow, the only time you'd need to cast all 3 right after the other would be at the beginning, they don't wear at the same time.

I have one macro that does more than one thing and this is it:
/ma "Utsusemi: Ni" <me>
/wait 1
/ma "Utsusemi: Ichi" <me>
/ma "Blink" <me>

This is pretty much what I do with Sleep.

[Evion]

Re: Hello All

You mean something like this?

/equip main "solid wand" <me>
/ma "sleep II" <t>
/wait 7 sec
/ma "blink" <me>
/wait 7 sec
/ma "stoneskin" <me>

[Mhurron]

Re: Hello All

/equip main "Dark Staff"
/ma "Sleep II" <stnpc>
/wait 1
/ma "Sleep" <stnpc>

If Sleep II isn't available it falls through to Sleep. <stnpc> instead of <t> or <bt> on the Sleep in case I need to sleep 2 mobs. You could extend it with another wait then Sleepga if you're subbing /blm but I don't since often, a -ga is definitely not what I want to use. I think I have 2 other gear swaps there instead.

The only problem with using <stnpc> on the second is you have to remember to hit ESC if Sleep II did cast before you can hit another macro.

[Sabaron]

Re: Hello All

/equip main "Dark Staff"
/ma "Sleep II" <stnpc>
/wait 1
/ma "Sleep" <stnpc>

If Sleep II isn't available it falls through to Sleep. <stnpc> instead of <t> or <bt> on the Sleep in case I need to sleep 2 mobs. You could extend it with another wait then Sleepga if you're subbing /blm but I don't since often, a -ga is definitely not what I want to use. I think I have 2 other gear swaps there instead.

The only problem with using <stnpc> on the second is you have to remember to hit ESC if Sleep II did cast before you can hit another macro.

I forgot about Sleep. That makes 2 macros I have that do two different spells--even though they're both tiers of the same spell. If you count BRD I do this with most tiered Bard songs as well.