rdm as DD?

[DR2D2]

Re: rdm as DD?

It seems to me after reading a majority of the posts(skimmed through about 5 of the pages) that even though rdm is a good soloest, it is a bad DD. I have yet to figure out SE's rational for make a support class 1 of the few jobs which can be soloed without too much problems.

As a side note my lvl 31 rdm gives about +25 hp and +50 mp as a sub for lvl 50 blu over my lvl 21 thf as a sub for blu(not very great stat boosts). I'm not sure of att, evas, and vit., but I would assume thf would give a bigger boost to each of these stats as well(except maybe vit.)

[ItazuraNhomango]

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I have yet to figure out SE's rational for make a support class 1 of the few jobs which can be soloed without too much problems.

It's my understanding that originally, RDM was basically useless.

Through major changes (adding Convert, Refresh, etc.), Red Mage became quite useful to party and large group activities. Those changes also added endurance and safety, enabling RDM to solo many things.

So, the soloing capability is a side effect of making RDM more relevant to the player population--it was probably not S-E's goal to make a "solo capable support role job". Things just turned out that way.

[Akashimo]

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Now if only rdm's could solo AV, and maybe in under an hour.... the job would be fixed.

[Electricity Gone Human]

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Does anybody else find it annoying that two other Mages can Melee better than us? One of them can heal better than us, to boot (though, to be fair, it is supposed to be their specialty).

Looks like I'm going to want an Enhancing Sword, huh? Although I'm kinda skeptical on the DPS of that one compared to the Joyeuse, where the 45% proc makes all the difference anyway.

As for Soloing...I tried to duo the Savage Blade NM with a 2-boxed DRG. We would've had it if he knew that dismissing the wyvern makes it stop attacking, when I was Sleeping the NM. :\

[Icemage]

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We talked a bit about sub-optimal parties and settling for what you can get earlier, and we also talked about Colibri camps.

I took a merit party to the lower Colibri camp in Bhaflau Thickets earlier this evening.

PT setup was
BRD73/NIN36
RNG73/NIN36
WAR75/NIN37
WAR75/NIN37
DRK75/NIN37
RDM75/WHM37 (me)

Did I need to melee? Nope.

NOTE: I joined this party at the request of an LS member - not because I "needed" to settle for second best; turned out OK anyway, as you can see.




Icemage

[ItazuraNhomango]

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What was the exp/hour?

And, why were you casting Blizzard III at a Greater Colibri? ._.

[Icemage]

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What was the exp/hour?

I don't have an exact amount, but it was just a shade over 21K per hour. I made a little over 4 and a half merits in a little over 2 hours.

And, why were you casting Blizzard III at a Greater Colibri? ._.

Convert cycle was coming up and I had spare MP (notice my MP is near zero in the screenshot - that was in preparation for Convert as I had a spare moment or two to take the screenshot).

I should note that casting Haste on four melees + Dia II on each enemy produced vastly more net damage than anything I could have done just swinging a Joyeuse. I added the Bard to my Haste cycle since he didn't have access to Utsusemi: Ni yet at level 73.

And yes, I still had MP left at the end of my Convert cycle more often than not.


Icemage

[Judoh]

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Hey guys,

Well I guess I wanted to put my 2 cents in. I quit June of 2006 and had blm rdm and blu at 75 in Midgard, I was actually first blu in my server in a little less than 2 hours as the expansion went live.
Well I can easily solo imps to chain 5 at times as blu and rdm (and chain 5 slimes sometimes on blm lol).
My setup was rdm/nin using joy/justice. What made the difference was Death Blossom. I had dusk gloves/feet, w turban, SH+1 or AJ, Nashira serawheels, Forager's mantle, swift belt, Pcc, suppa/brutal, jaeger/sniper or rajas, with full sword merits as my TP set
And
For my WS set The only things I would change (depending on the mob's lvl) was O hat, swift belt to potent belt, Pcc to chiv chain, Nashira to prince's Slops, d hands to alk bracelets, d feet to orge+1, and sometimes jaeger to aqua. I was able to do exp pts and always pulled around 500-800 on high lvl mamool ja's, 500-900 on colibri, 600-950 on imps and hawkers?(I forget their name at the end), 650-900 on the toads, and 650-1200ish on pugs with Death Blossoms and pulling crazy DoT with 2-5 attacks+enspells. I would have an enhancing set to recast fast and around 310 enhance to do 20-24 additional dmg each swing.

I did not run a parse as I was only 18 back then and didn't have resources or knew much about this but our group was composed of a whm/smn, brd/nin, blue/thf, nin/war, and myself elf rdm/nin. I can tell you I was stealing aggro all the time without casting much other than dia 3. I didn't worry much about recasting haste (whm did great), mana was great, af2 hat and refresh after kill helped a lot, but yes a lot of inventory space with all the virtue stones and what not but I can honestly tell you I could've outparsed the average DD back then.

So it is possible but it takes a lot of time money and support from the group as a whole. We did like almost 3 merits to the hour.

[Yellow Mage]

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First of all, thank you for contribution three five years after the fact; it is very much appreciated.

Secondly, your post isn't a very convincing argument in favor of front line Red Mage. If anything, I would dare to say that you're a prime example of what everybody sees when they look at the rest of us. Wild claims about parsing? Admitting to not caring about Haste because the "whm did great," and furthermore selfishly expecting that the group make contributions to support your otherwise relatively kitsch pursuit?

Sheesh. With people like you, it's no wonder we've got such a bad name.

[Murphie]

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Well, I for one am just glad to finally get some answers. Thanks, Judoh!

[Taskmage]

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If this was a troll, which I'm not necessarily assuming it is, it was an exceptionally skilled troll.

[Murphie]

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I will say, this thread is all about the nostalgia for me. So many posters who are no longer here!

[Judoh]

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Well we did not have any problems with haste since, with composure, you only needed to cast haste after 2-3 mobs on yourself and only the nin needed haste, since blu had their own that they preferred because of its duration.

I wasn't neglecting anything my role needed to do in the group negative nelly. Nin needed to do blind for aggro and what else would I have needed to cast that the nin couldn't do faster, if need be, for less than a 30 sec fight? Back in the day I was near, if not the best rdm in Midgard. Messing around as a DD in an exp pt was just for fun and most of the time I solo chain 5'd imps/flies/toads. It turned out to be doable once you get the gear, WS, and personal skills. If that blu Anoat is still around, I hope he can remember and confirm this.

I do admit though, there are a lot of baddies that can't pull this off and it's not for the feint of heart, like Yellow Mage over here. You should not be searching as a DD, only do it with people you know but also be aware of your own skill and numbers, don't waste other people's time.

[Murphie]

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Um, nice trollin.

[Yygdrasil]

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Judoh: Trollin' RDM on Forumz since 2006.

I especially liked the little bit about "FRST BLUE EVAR". That was a nice touch. I bet you had all the spells within 3 hours, right? Because you're effing awesome like that.