Sword vs Dagger

[Icemage]

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I'm not sure about the other camps really, after I partied with this one bard we started semi staticing together. He likes not having to cast ballad and I like how easily he pushes the other pts out. And when we get 2 brds in the PT it's game over.

I really want to try a good pt on trolls since I never see anyone there, the one I had was garbage.

There's no such thing as a great party on trolls. Diamondhide is a pain in the tuckus, and the spawns are so far apart that it's difficult to hold chains (possible, but not consistently). I think the best I've done there is somewhere around chain #20 or so.

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Back on main topic, RDM's best weapon, if we're looking at raw damage, is Justice Sword. It's like a Joyeuse but with a +7 STR modifier. No other weapon touches it for damage for Red Mage, and it has slashing type damage, which makes it more appropriate for fighting some types of enemies.

It also doesn't interfere with Double/Triple Attack traits the way Joyeuse does, so things like Brutal Earring can kick in and add a third attack once in a while when you're wielding a Justice Sword.


Icemage

[Patchinko]

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That is an awesome sword, but I'm never going to see it.

Excalibur is better than that even, no? But it's even less obtainable, of course.

I think Joyeuse is the best obtainable sword for me, anyway. Not sure how great Enhancing Sword is, to be honest.

[Icemage]

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That is an awesome sword, but I'm never going to see it.

Excalibur is better than that even, no? But it's even less obtainable, of course.

I think Joyeuse is the best obtainable sword for me, anyway. Not sure how great Enhancing Sword is, to be honest.

Excalibur is kinda cool. It does add damage = 25% of your current HP every once in a blue moon, which is neato, and Knights of the Round WS is cool.

If you have the funds for an Excalibur, though, what the hell are you doing soloing things?


Icemage

[Raydeus]

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Excalibur is kinda cool. It does add damage = 25% of your current HP every once in a blue moon, which is neato, and Knights of the Round WS is cool.

If you have the funds for an Excalibur, though, what the hell are you doing soloing things?


Icemage

But is it better than Justice though? The aditional effect might be kind of weak, but if the hidden aditional damage kicks in often it could be a great weapon. (And by often I mean 50% of the time at least)

Otherwise it really isn't worth the price tag at all seeing how Justice is much easier to get and you have a guaranteed boost on your dmg anyway.

And gotta DW it with Mandau of course.

[Patchinko]

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If KOTR looked half as cool as Savage Blade, especially when a Taru does it, I might be sold. But meh.

And Ice Mage... it's not about soloing. It's about soloing god. In melee range. I mean, why else would a RDM need stuff like that?!

Edit: And "something to wear while sitting in Rollanberry with a 99,999,999G Red Rose in your Bazaar" is not an acceptable answer, mister!

[Yellow Mage]

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Any Red Mage that is able to, should be going after this right now.

[Sabaron]

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Any Red Mage that is able to, should be going after this right now.

AFAIK, it's hidden effects (if any) are unknown. The Nyzul Weapons are one of the mysteries of Aht Urgan. If you have information about the sword, please spill the beans, but with only the data we have currently available, it doesn't beat my Mensur Epee.

[Yellow Mage]

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The Nyzul Weapons are one of the mysteries of Aht Urgan. If you have information about the sword, please spill the beans, but with only the data we have currently available, it doesn't beat my Mensur Epee.

What is the effect or purpose of the Nyzul Isle weapons?

While still a few updates off, these items will be an ingredient to be used in new relic weapons with all new weapon skills.

See also: neat-looking rose-like Red Mage Weapon Skill in the Dancer WotG video.

Which brings me, again, to my point: if you're able to, then you should get it. A key to a Red Mage-only alternative to Excalibur is how I view it.

[Raydeus]

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Knowing SE the requirements to get this new "relics" will be as out of reach as the current ones.

So at least for now I'm not interested in anything that takes more than a month to obtain. Screw relics and the such.

[Sabaron]

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...a Red Mage-only alternative to Excalibur is how I view it...

I had heard something like that, but originally thought it to be a rumor. I was already planning on doing Nyzul Isle Assaults just for Goliard, but now it looks like I'm looking for a Vorpal Blade too. Finally, a RDM style "relic" sword. Now I know why SE made them the only storable (non-event related) weapons--so people wouldn't throw them away.

[Callisto]

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My static is working towards 100, hopefully I'll have one soon!

I highly recommend anyone who hasn't tried Nyzul assault at least give it a shot, it's possibly my favorite event in FFXI, very challenging, but no so stupidly hard that it takes the fun away(read also: Einherjar). The drop rates kind of suck, but the gear is hot sex on a biscuit for the most part. Goliard Clogs are the best boots you'll find in the game outside of Morrigan's, I'm thrilled with mine.

Anyways, back on topic...I'm still using ESword+Joyeuse for DW...I realize that Joyeuse is most likely better DoT than the ESword, but I wuv my ESword and don't want to stop using it, especially for /DRK w/ Vorpal. I need to turn the two of them into Sword-chucks!

[Lmnop]

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One cool thing I noticed was when you swing 2 daggers you get 9 tp, 2 swords you get 10 tp, and 1 sword and 1 dagger you get 10 tp so you get faster tp using either daggers or a dagger with sword then with 2 swords. To say the least here the rdm fairs well having both equipped given the /nin.

Sorry, just had to swing in and say this is an optical illusion. See here, make sure to check out the Dual Wield section, and keep in mind what was said earlier in this thread -- even though the game only shows whole numbers (9s and 10s in this case), it actually keeps track of the first decimal.

[Icemage]

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Anyways, back on topic...I'm still using ESword+Joyeuse for DW...I realize that Joyeuse is most likely better DoT than the ESword, but I wuv my ESword and don't want to stop using it, especially for /DRK w/ Vorpal. I need to turn the two of them into Sword-chucks!

This is actually a good setup, even if you haven't realized just quite why. Your weaponskills are (typically) calculated off of your main hand weapon, so setting the Enhancing Sword as your main will give you bigger numbers of Vorpal Sword weaponskills.

The reason Joyeuse outdamages Enhancing Sword is because of the extra hits you get from its 50% Double Attack, but you get that anyway with it in the off-hand, so no loss there.

Do note, however, that you're actually gaining less TP from dual wielding ESword and Joy than you would by main-handing Joy by itself.


Icemage

[Callisto]

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This is actually a good setup, even if you haven't realized just quite why. Your weaponskills are (typically) calculated off of your main hand weapon, so setting the Enhancing Sword as your main will give you bigger numbers of Vorpal Sword weaponskills.

The reason Joyeuse outdamages Enhancing Sword is because of the extra hits you get from its 50% Double Attack, but you get that anyway with it in the off-hand, so no loss there.

Do note, however, that you're actually gaining less TP from dual wielding ESword and Joy than you would by main-handing Joy by itself.


Icemage

Oh yeah I do know why I use that setup for sure lol, I had actually meant I still like using ESword over Joy when single-handing as well. The Joy does seem to have a slight DoT edge more and more, but ESword is shiny and I like shiny. Plus I'd hate to say I have a sword that used to sell for 25m that is just for decoration.

[NicasinXS]

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Sorry, just had to swing in and say this is an optical illusion. See here, make sure to check out the Dual Wield section, and keep in mind what was said earlier in this thread -- even though the game only shows whole numbers (9s and 10s in this case), it actually keeps track of the first decimal.

You're right!! I wen't home after writing that, played around soloing rdm with sword and dagger for some skillups and notice that its more like 9.5 with sword and dagger. I was all >< when I saw that realizing my error. daggers = 9, dagger+sword 9.5, and swords 10. My bad. Thanks for the correction.

I am still mostly using sword and dagger for DD since I only have 1 cool sword.