Savage Blade!

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Savage Blade!

Well in general melee I use Venerer with Jelly, and at the moment, my Savage Blade macro just uses both Sapphire Rings. I'll put the Venerer ring on instead of the second Sapphire and I'll see what works.

I'd LOVE the Pahluwan chest, but that's gonna be a bit more complicated to get, ever since SE "fixed" Golden Salvage. Now I just have to get points and spam the one's for Ilrusi Atoll ; ;

Actually, I pretty much want the entire damn Pahluwan set, but ok, I'll settle on the head, body and legs. I also like the way shorts look, but I just hate the way pants on Taru's are designed..

[Armando]

Re: Savage Blade!

Oh, you use two Sapphires? In that case it doesn't matter too much. You won't notice a big difference in either direction, but at least then you'd be saving yourself a gear swap.

Martial Anelace is good but I'd hold off on it since he has Mensur Epee. Martial Anelace adds about 25% more damage to dual wielded Savage Blade but Mensur Epee isn't that far behind with its ridiculous base DMG. The difference is, of course, that with Mensur Epee his DoT will be a lot higher as well, whereas Martial Anelace really leaves something to be desired in that department. In the end Mensur Epee would probably come out ahead, or at worst break even with Martial Anelace.

Good luck getting your Pahluwan gear by the way. It looks totally sexy.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Savage Blade!

The Mensur is a nice toy, but it doesn't play nice with WS. Base damage is the same as Martial Anelace on Savage Blade, while melee damage is higher and delay is lower (same as Joyeuse.)

So considering the trade off, keep the Mensur or trade it out for Martial? Or just have both and use one in a pt while the other for solo???
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NVM, Armando posted exactly what I was thinking of before I got to it.

[Armando]

Re: Savage Blade!

You know, I've heard that Mensur doesn't work on WS but I've never seen proof. It strikes me as very odd that the latent would turn itself off on WS's.

[Ryoii/Nonomii]

Re: Savage Blade!

Would you be interested in killing 2 or 3 Lv1 Rabbits using something like Flat Blade for us to verify weither or not Mensur Epee's latent is in effect during WS?

I'm tempted to buy one for my RDM to try myself. Too bad she pulls out a sword only about once a year.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Savage Blade!

Yeah no problem. How would I do the test and what am I looking for? I remember pre-patch (like 3 weeks after) to the 2h Update, my 1h Sword damage always hit a CAP, but now I noticed that even on TW in SaurChamp, it wildly varies, so I reiterate, what am I looking for?

[Armando]

Re: Savage Blade!

Unfortunately with the new PDIF changes it would take more than just a few Level 0 rabbits to figure it out.

My recommendation: Spend 30-60 minutes doing SA Flat Blade on the lower level mobs of Buburimu Peninsula or a zone of your preference with level 15-20 mobs (kinda hard to build TP on Level 0 mobs.) Parse the whole thing if possible. Make sure you write down:
- the absolute lowest and highest SA Flat Blade you get
- your level
- your Attack and STR

Report those three things here and I'll take care of the rest. You may overkill the mobs with SA Flat Blade, it makes no difference. TP at the moment of WS is also inconsequential but naturally you want to do as many Flat Blades as you can. Make sure you don't change your STR mid-test. Although your fSTR will be capped, WS mods have no cap.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Savage Blade!

Eww, I gotta sub THF for that. Grooooss. Ok, I'll make a macro set for that. My Attack has been higher than I've ever soloed with.. Still can't find the damn Ogre Ledelsens..

[hongman]

Re: Savage Blade!

Martial > Mensur imo, but that is just from my own opinion, no official testing.

I WS a lot more often with Joyeuse, and as a result, WS damage being up to scratch is a lot more important than just DoT.

[arkaine23]

Re: Savage Blade!

Hmmm, when I first got my Mensur Epee I was impressed that 100 TP Savage Blades were about the same as with a Martial Anelace, sometimes higher in fact. Seemed like D47 to me. Target mobs were Lesser Colibri.

As for mainhand weapons... I generally go with a Dagger or Justice Sword. For me, Mensur is for fun and for /WAR w/ Brutal.

And for TP Legs options... I went with Volunteer's Brais. 6acc 20 mp. Mp's fairly important when you're on a melee subjob, unless you're a tarutaru. That's part of why I love Ogre Ledelsens +1 so much. And Ogre Gloves +1 too, at least until I drop the gil for Dusk Gloves.

[Armando]

Re: Savage Blade!

I WS a lot more often with Joyeuse, and as a result, WS damage being up to scratch is a lot more important than just DoT.

Well, yeah, but the DoT disparity between Mensur Epee and Martial Anelace is huge too. You can't give importance to WS damage because Joyeuse greatly increases your rate of TP gain but then not give importance to DoT when Mensur greatly increases your DoT. We're talking DMG:47|Delay:224 vs DMG:39|Delay:240. And if the latent for Mensur Epee works on WS, then Martial Anelace's advantage during WS's is diminished.

Without more info it could go either way, but I'm just pointing out why Martial Anelace may not be ideal. There are also other factors working against Mensur Epee, such as the fact that its DoT advantage is also diminished by the fact that it only makes up half of your damage.

As for mainhand weapons... I generally go with a Dagger or Justice Sword. For me, Mensur is for fun and for /WAR w/ Brutal.

Problem is the only good RDM dagger is Blau Dolch, and that's expensive as sin. Evisceration definetely beats the crap out of Savage Blade, but I'm not sure if it's that much better that it'll make up for all the damage lost on normal hits while using a mediocre dagger. Especially when fighting relatively weak mobs, since small speed differences only make a big difference in weapon choice against high level mobs when your damage per hit is low. That and both Joyeuse and Justice Sword (w/ stones) are superior to Mensur Epee when single-wielded. Mensur is strictly a dual wielding main hand sword.

[hongman]

Re: Savage Blade!

Yeah, none of this has been tested, its just from my own findings/experiences/whatever

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Savage Blade!

DVS Parse 1.7.1 isn't working for me. Has the entire project been canned? All the forums are closed so I'm going to have to assume so.

10/19/2007 4:21:54 PM - DvsChatmon_3: Monitor thread started.
10/19/2007 4:21:54 PM - DvsChatmon_3: Attempting to connect to Final Fantasy.
10/19/2007 4:21:55 PM - DvsChatmon_3: Module FFXiMain.dll Base Address = 2B50000
10/19/2007 4:21:55 PM - DvsChatmon_3: Success attaching to Final Fantasy XI process!

At this point, I was like, YAY! Because now that meant It was working, unlike last time. (Had to run the program as an Administrator.. Vista is so annoying sometimes..)

But then:

10/19/2007 4:21:55 PM - Attempting to read chatlog meta info...
10/19/2007 4:21:55 PM - DvsChatmon_3: Dereferencing chat pointer.

And that repeated until I turned the parser off. So unless someone else has a working build of DVS 1.7.1 and I'm a retard, I'm going to have to parse the old fashioned way... Isn't there another FFXI parse though?

[Callisto]

Re: Savage Blade!

Savage Blade sucks.






>.>







It's true. ; ;

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Savage Blade!

If I wasn't 100% sure that you're biased, Callisto, I'd go give up and cry.

But At the moment, I don't feel like raising Dagger 13 more levels (to make it 230), doing the quest WS for a kajillion years being as how RDM doesn't get anything past Distortion, and then fighting the NM, just so I can get Evisceration.