RDM vs BLU

[Aeni]

Re: RDM vs BLU

I don't like DRK, because they can do like 1k damage in 3 seconds

Soul Eater + Drain ftw :p Heck, I remember chasing around a half-beaten SMN and killing it with a Drain ... DRKs can die quick though, especially against a nicely equipped WAR. WAR w/ Mighty Strikes + Raging Rush = unstoppable... I tend to stun them and {run away!} :3

[LilithAngel]

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I've always enjoyed how Sun Tzu's work can be applied to even the modern times, and not strictly about war or battle, either.

I would honestly enjoy a good, pitched battle between a BLU and a RDM who both know how their jobs work. RDM has the advantage simply due to having spent more time being learned, while BLU is still in a state of "discovery" mode.

A BLU does not have to even draw their sword(s) to do their damage, nor do they always have to be in melee range to affect their opponent (two points of interests many BLUs forget during the heat of combat). The first actually nullifies Ice Spikes completely, since if we do not swing at you, the spell has no effect. The ranged spells that we have do indeed take a few seconds to cast, and during that time, any sensible RDM will fling a Silence and be done with it... ...or would be, if it weren't for (now) native Blink (which generally will eat the spell, and allow us to continue our casting, which the smart BLU will be casting a neutrilization spell, such as Chaotic Eye, Pinecomb Bomb, or perhaps even Radiant Breath). Even if the RDM prepares for Zephyr Mantle, that's time taken away from casting Silence, and even Fast Cast procs will still give a BLU time to get off one spell while the RDM is moving to the next step. Interesting aside here: I've wanted to see what a BLU/RDM *that actually knows both jobs* well enough and can prepare spells in advance can accomplish. Don't point me to those earlier RvB videos; the BLU in that one didn't seem to even know what he was doing, much less what his opponent was getting ready to do.

The first one to get a successfull neutrilizer out will dictate the course of battle in the beginning, and in this case, that may be all it takes. Many people forget that BLU actually does have almost exactly all the same tricks that RDM has, but the BLU needs to think beforehand what will be needed, and prepare accordingly.

Also, just because you're a RDM, doesn't mean you don't need Echo Drops yourself.

EDIT: I enjoy *destroying* WARs on my BLU/THF. Pinecomb Bomb just sets up a CASA Death Scissors so well, and the ensuing Head Butt/Mandibular Bite/Sickle Slash storm (especially in 60 cap) is enough to make any DWAM cry for their mommy.

[WishMaster3K]

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That BLU's gonna run outta Echo Drops before I run outta MP.

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He had Echo Drops. I kept silencing. Oh, and he was using Chaotic Eye, but it didn't do much. He was doing his fair share of Debuffs. I'm sure had I been a different RDM, he would have been better, but I'm Renarudo the Red, and he wasn't prepared. I hope that next time it's a more fun fight. He resorted to running to those guardian orb things so that they could nuke me.

Said that "see, I can cheat too." -_-

I casted Barblizzard and Barparalyze up. I figure Paralyze is the worst thing that can hit me, because I can Echo Drop myself.

As I said, the most common strategy for me is to do Diaga, because of the quick casting time, then Silence. After that I apply Poison2 and Bio2. After that, I just pretty much need to make sure that I don't die, and they'll kill themselves shortly.

[Runningriot]

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this blue mage you fought is a complete r tard. i can see how you would take blu/nin into a ballista but i serriously would doubt that you're hurting him mainly with your wep. next i wanted ot point out that with blu/thf, you would have some serrious trouble just due to the added damage that comes from Sneak Attack and Trick Attack which stack with physical Blue Magic for added damage. he could have paired that with Death Scissors, Sickle Slash, Vertical Cleave, and Disseverment. once again you get Increased Evasion but your not going to meleeing him that much. you forget to that stun makes the world go round. if he was smart enough could have headbutted to cause stun then unleash with the few sconds he would have (noting that he isn't under silence lol) but anyway congrats on showing how the elite smack the whiners.

[tdh]

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this blue mage you fought is a complete r tard. i can see how you would take blu/nin into a ballista but i serriously would doubt that you're hurting him mainly with your wep. next i wanted ot point out that with blu/thf, you would have some serrious trouble just due to the added damage that comes from Sneak Attack and Trick Attack which stack with physical Blue Magic for added damage. he could have paired that with Death Scissors, Sickle Slash, Vertical Cleave, and Disseverment. once again you get Increased Evasion but your not going to meleeing him that much. you forget to that stun makes the world go round. if he was smart enough could have headbutted to cause stun then unleash with the few sconds he would have (noting that he isn't under silence lol) but anyway congrats on showing how the elite smack the whiners.

1) In PvP, who's going to just stand there so they can be Sneak Attacked by anybody?
2) Trick Attack is completely useless 95% of the time in PvP.
3) Phalanx + Stoneskin
4) Head Butt can miss or be absorbed by Blink. But even if Head Butt lands, RDM is stunned, they're still going to get Silence off at some point or they don't deserve the Pimp Hat.
5) A silenced BLU is a useless BLU in PvP - Especially Vs. a RDM. hi2u Ice Spikes!

As retarded as it is for a Mage of any kind not to carry around Echo Drops, I can't much blame a BLU for not using them in Brenner. Who has the kind of inventory space to carry 15 stacks of Echo Drops because you know you're gonna get Silenced? And who wants to spend that kind of gil for PvP either?

I've never done any "vendetta Brenner," but outside of that why bother bringing items anyway? My LS randomly does them, and as competitive as we are, Brenner never becomes about that. It's always good natured fun, and we can't wait until we all have the time to do it again. That's why I love it so much.

[WishMaster3K]

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SA is not feasible PvP. However, a SAM was giving me the business on SA + Tachi: Gekko.

But those were the days I didn't bring Echo Drops with me, so that's a moot point nowadays.

I'm probably gonna take on my Friend as a MNK one of these upcoming days. Now, MNKs by themselves aren't hard. It's when he does MNK/DRK and starts ignoring my DEF with Soul Eater where the problem might arise.

But as it turns out, the only way to figure that out is to try. According to Wikipedia:

The damage penalty of Souleater is NOT affected by Defense or VIT, Damage Taken+/-% such as Defending Ring(-10%), the Red Mage spells Phalanx or Phalanx II, -% Physical Damage Taken gear such as Earth Staff/Darksteel armor, -% Magic Damage Taken gear such as Coral Scale Mail, nor is it affected by the Paladin ability Sentinel.

Well... Fuck.

The only thing I can think of is the weakness here:

When activated by a Dark Knight, each successful attack that lands will cause the user to lose 10% of his/her current HP and converts that amount directly into damage.

Coming from a MNK, that sounds all sorts of Dangerous, but that's only 5 attack rounds. I'm hoping that by the time he breaks out Souleater, he's already going to be too dead or might just kill himself.

And knowing my friend, he'll probably do it when he's close to 100%.

So it looks like I'll sub WAR, have a -Damage% build, wear the Earth Staff, and not melee him to give him TP.

And watch as he kills himself.

Because I was thinking bout PLD till they said Souleater goes through Sentinel. Then I was thinking about NIN till I realized that MNK hit too fast. Then I settled on WAR because I realized that he's still going to be doing his regular melee thing on me and Souleater is only one huge part of the equation.

Results after the fight.

[Runningriot]

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ah shit sorry for adding in the sata part! i wasn't thinking, mainly i was looking into ways how a blu could get more dmg. wasn' thinking lol. but lets just look at the what if the rdm was stunned and the blu wasn't slienced. there would be some massive hurt lol.

[Omni]

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i dont think stun lasts long enough for you to run around, sata and actually let off the ws. it would have to be atleast 4-5s stun and thats if youre quick about it.

[Legal Fish]

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As a BLM I kick the crap out of Blue Mages all the time.

Some melees distract him and I use a two tier IIIs(maybe an aga II) and Drain... maybe an Aspir... and he's dead.

[Aeni]

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Coming from a MNK, that sounds all sorts of Dangerous, but that's only 5 attack rounds. I'm hoping that by the time he breaks out Souleater, he's already going to be too dead or might just kill himself.

And knowing my friend, he'll probably do it when he's close to 100%.

So it looks like I'll sub WAR, have a -Damage% build, wear the Earth Staff, and not melee him to give him TP.

And watch as he kills himself.

Because I was thinking bout PLD till they said Souleater goes through Sentinel. Then I was thinking about NIN till I realized that MNK hit too fast. Then I settled on WAR because I realized that he's still going to be doing his regular melee thing on me and Souleater is only one huge part of the equation.

Results after the fight.

Dude ... you play with good MNKs, not shitty ones. Like the ones I hang out with that have 1,500 HP and are not Galkans. Nor are they even trying at all. If they were, they could have 2K easy.

SO ... if a smart MNK/DRK whips out SE, it will be at 100% (Due to better damage the more health you have) and can swap in +hp gear before activating. 2K of health and take 10% of that is about 200 health. Couple that with Asuran Fist and you're one dead taru.

In other words, in that scenario, you would be a smart RDM to put away your sword and just kite. If you don't do that, you might as well just go get ready for ressurection for the next go around.

[WishMaster3K]

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In Ballista they won't swap in gear, Aeni, lol... Penalty (you probably forgot that)

Yeah, I think I'll just keep the Earth staff on and debuff. Of course, If I nuke, it's a guaranteed win. And I agreed to the 1on1, so I'm not going to Kite. That'd be too easy, because I have Gravity and Bind. And It's as simple as casting either one, waiting till he uses Chakra and then casting the other.

MNKs are jokes. MNK/DRK is a bi***... OF COURSE, it has a 6min cool down, so It's possible that over the course of the round, I'll have more wins. But if I can nullify his Soul Eater, then that'll be good.

I'm not gonna melee him. That'd give him TP. I was seriously thinking about just keeping Stoneskin and Buffs up with the Earth Shield and reapply and let him kill himself. (He won't be getting TP, and if he activates Soul Eater out of desperation, hopefully it'll be too late to do any good. And in addition, if he feasibly has very low TP due to me not Meleeing and him hitting me for 0, by the time he gets to 100% it'll be too late).

Any holes in that strategy?

Edit:
Additionally, he's a Hume MNK.

[Callisto]

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Yeah, it drives me nuts the whole "No fair, you can't silence me!" deal in PVP. I go as RDM/DRK, and yes, Diaga > Silence is pretty much protocol. The only time I don't Silence is if I'm fighting another RDM and we agree to no Silence beforehand(RDM vs RDM can quickly turn into nothing but a Silence & Dispel fight, and that's no fun).

My favorite way of pissing off other jobs: Dispelling their JA's. PLD uses Sentinel. Whoops, there it goes, and your timer is still at 3 minutes; ;

My other favorite way of pissing off other jobs: Chainspell + Drain/Aspir spam. I do this every time I find a revitalizer, it's good for at least 2 kills and you sit at full hp/mp when you're done.

And don't be afraid to melee. WS' are slightly nerfed in PvP, noone's going to one shot you or anything, and Vorpal Blade is sexy(as are 24dmg/swing Enspells).

[Aksannyi]

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Methinks I should try this PvP. I've never really been interested in it, but I guess with friends it could be fun. Unless you are on the losing end (especially if you get pwned!) and they want to brag at you and make you feel worse.

I take the game too seriously, I think.

[Callisto]

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Methinks I should try this PvP. I've never really been interested in it, but I guess with friends it could be fun. Unless you are on the losing end (especially if you get pwned!) and they want to brag at you and make you feel worse.

I take the game too seriously, I think.

You're a RDM, just don't pick a fight w/ a SAM/RNG and you will probably be on the winning end. Those MFers are just nasty. A good way to break yourself into PvP is with an easy kill. I recommend using Invisible, creeping up on a Taru mage, and opening with Diaga > Silence > Gravity. Then just run them down with a sword. It feels good.

Personally my bane in PvP are THFs, not so much that they kill me, but that I can't hit them for my life, so I have to hope that I have enough MP to nuke them dead.

My biggest tips: Never let Phalanx or Ice Spikes go down. Those are your best friends in PvP. I've survived a 3-WS skillchain before thanks to Phalanx.

[WishMaster3K]

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Melees equate the numbers they do in EXP to Ballista.

My friend think's he'll One Shot me with Asuran.

No one tell him that Elvaan MNKs are lucky to get off 500 damage on an unbuffed WAR...