+MND and +INT vs E. Staves

[hongman]

Ok so I currently use a Rose Wand +1 for +6 MND/INT which is pretty cool I think.

When I hit 51, and start using the E. Staves (NQ)....

Which do you think is more efficient?

I know using the elemental stave enhances that element spell, but by how much? I mean, I'll use the Staves anyway but just wondering how close the +6 MND/INT comes to the E Staves.

[Omni]

Re: +MND and +INT vs E. Staves

here's an example for firestaff:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Fire_Staff

[hongman]

Re: +MND and +INT vs E. Staves

Yes but going by % - then I can see that the % bonus will be much much more usful later on. But is there a chance that +6INT/MND actually more of a bonus at this early stage?

[neighbortaru]

Re: +MND and +INT vs E. Staves

there is an elemental damage formula in the black mage forums and the ffxi wikki (iirc). if you plug the numbers in and do the math, i believe (didn't do the actual math myself) that the % bonus from staves out-weigh the +6 stat bonus.

[Mog]

Re: +MND and +INT vs E. Staves

Yes but going by % - then I can see that the % bonus will be much much more usful later on. But is there a chance that +6INT/MND actually more of a bonus at this early stage?

No. Buy all the staves. Rose wand is only good for level 50 capped stuff. As far as casting elemental spells, switch to that staff and either the spell will be 10% more accurate, deal 10% more damage, or last 10% longer.

[Jei]

Re: +MND and +INT vs E. Staves

Elemental Staves Onry. Spell resistance is a huge issue in the 50s without them. You can get more than enough INT from food and other gears.

[Omni]

Re: +MND and +INT vs E. Staves

Yes but going by % - then I can see that the % bonus will be much much more usful later on. But is there a chance that +6INT/MND actually more of a bonus at this early stage?

what nt said. ffxiclopedia has a whole lot of stuff to read up on. just dig around and you'll almost find everything you'll ever want to know.

[hongman]

Re: +MND and +INT vs E. Staves

thanks again

[Omni]

Re: +MND and +INT vs E. Staves

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Calculating_Magic_Damage

link to calculation itself.

[Yellow Mage]

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Would someone be considered gimped if they didn't use Staves? I mean, Red Mages don't even HAVE a Staff skill, and they ARE supposed to be a mixture of Magic and Melee. But that's a whole other debate I'd rather not have brought up.

But the Blue Mages kinda stole the spotlight as the true Blue MageKNIGHTs that the Red Mages were supposed to be . . . I'm kinda upset about that . . .

[Murphie]

Re: +MND and +INT vs E. Staves

I would consider a RDM to be gimping themselves if they didn't use staves, yes. They aren't using them to melee, so that's kind of a moot point. When RDM do melee, they use a sword or dagger, which is far more effective.

[Mog]

Re: +MND and +INT vs E. Staves

I would consider a RDM to be gimping themselves if they didn't use staves, yes. They aren't using them to melee, so that's kind of a moot point. When RDM do melee, they use a sword or dagger, which is far more effective.

Who needs staves when you have a joy toy?

[Omni]

Re: +MND and +INT vs E. Staves

Would someone be considered gimped if they didn't use Staves? I mean, Red Mages don't even HAVE a Staff skill, and they ARE supposed to be a mixture of Magic and Melee. But that's a whole other debate I'd rather not have brought up.
But the Blue Mages kinda stole the spotlight as the true Blue MageKNIGHTs that the Red Mages were supposed to be . . . I'm kinda upset about that . . .

i think we ought to stay away from what jobs were 'meant' to be because that causes a large debate about what really defines the job. yea, rdm are historically geared with swords and stuff but that doesnt mean they are a mixture of melee and magic.

however, in this game, ffxi (not any other ff), 95% of all situations a rdm would not be wearing a sword. elemental staves not only add dmg to your elemental magic spells but it also helps your enfeebles to stick also. which is an rdm's main job next to buffing/pt support.

the 5% that rdm whip out their sword or dagger is when they solo or out of pure necessity. even during solo, rdm's strength still does not lie in its sword but in its ability to outlast its opponent.

[Murphie]

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Who needs staves when you have a joy toy?

I don't have a Joy toy. Way to rub it in my face, Mog.

I hate you so much!

[Mhurron]

Re: +MND and +INT vs E. Staves

Would someone be considered gimped if they didn't use Staves?

Yes, and even if you have some of them, you might be gimping yourself. RDM pretty much must have a Dark Staff, Ice Staff, Light Staff and Wind Staff. If you have to space out your purchases of them, that order is a pretty good order to get them in, though you will need a Dark and Ice staff as soon as you hit 51.

You also may find yourself getting the rest of the staves as you get Tier 3 Nukes and choose to hit magic bursts.

Red Mages don't even HAVE a Staff skill

You're not getting the elemental staves to swing at mobs.

Who needs staves when you have a joy toy?

Red Mages in EXP parties.