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Which of the advanced jobs is the closest one to RDM. I have several unlocked but am not sure which one(the ones I have unlocked so far are:pld, bst, brd, rng, dnk-none seem to be an advanced form of rdm) If none are really similar, can someone tell me out of those 5 which one would be the most versitle.
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Re: What advanced job?
Probably Blue Mage.... They have same sword rating as us. They can attack, can cast spell, can heal can nuke and can self skillchain. If anything, they are the melee oriented Redmage.
Learning Blue magic is not easy tho.There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot,
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I would think bard would be closest to rdm, since the primary responsibility of both jobs is buffs.
Why are you interested in finding the advanced job most like rdm? If you like rdm that much go ahead and stick with it. Advanced jobs aren't upgrades of the basic jobs; they each have their own unique focus and thier own uses and responsibilities both in parties and at endgame.
Regarding your desire for versatility, I would point to blue mage as well, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone for their first main job either. First of all, many higher level blue magic spells require access to areas that would be difficult if not impossible to reach if blue mage is your only leveled job. Secondly, because of the fact that blue mage can be a good damage dealer, support/debuffer, or healer when properly equipped and played, you have a lot more to learn about how to properly equip and play for those roles in a party. The only way to do that is to actually play other, more specialized jobs and watch the way other jobs are played as well. If you're trying to learn three roles at once to be versatile and do many things well, you're going to be overwhelmed.Comment
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Re: What advanced job?
Nothing is like RDM. If you're looking for something close, then I'd go with BRD or BLU. BRD is basically an Enhancing specialist, giving the party buff songs as necessary. BLU is similar to RDM, with more focus one offense. They actually have a higher sword rating(and access to all the coolest weaponskills, damn them), and a plethora of opponent-acquired Blue Magic. Learn patience, however, since Blue Magic is plentiful and not easily acquired.
If you're looking for a job that is just like RDM, then continue looking to no avail, RDM is unique unto itself.
What's your obsession with the advanced jobs anyhow? I can tell you now, the term "advanced" doesn't in any way make them "superior".Comment
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Small note: BLU is better with swords than RDM.. not only is BLU sword skill higher than RDM, but they can also access certain EX weaponskills like Red Lotus Blade which are not normally accessible by Red Mages.
Bard is only "soft of" like Red Mage. Bard is more like the general of an army - not in the thick of combat, and lots of time to plan your next move. Red Mage is more like a sergeant - down with the troops doing everything you can to win the fight - and a heck of a lot busier as a result.
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Re: What advanced job?
It really depends on what specific aspect of RDM drew you to the job in the first place, as far as which advanced job would be most similar. A lot of people have pointed out BRD and BLU, and while I agree with that, I'd also actually add COR. The reason being, a lot of people are drawn to RDM in the first place because of a lot of erroneous information out there that indicates that RDM is a melee/support class. It isn't. At higher levels, it's pure support (except for solo). The Brady guide is where a lot of people turn for informaiton when they're starting out. It paints a pretty picture of RDM being a sword-swinging, nuking, healing, enfeebling machine. Unfortunately, the author of the Brady guide tries to wipe a hole in the ground after having a bowel movement.
If that is, in fact, what drew you to RDM in the first place, BRD definately doesn't offer that. Its melee abilities are even more limited than RDM's. BLU is much closer, but in my opinion, it's not as effective of a support role job. It's basically a damage dealer that has a few tricks up its sleeve.
COR offers the ability to actually deal real amounts of damage AND support the PT. COR gets a refresh ability at 48, and it also has some rather unique buffs for the frontline. At the same time, it has ranged attack and is able to equip a lot of the things that help RNGs be as effective as they are with their ranged attack. COR can use several ranged weapon skills and can shoot from whereever it happens to be supporting the PT from. A lot of CORs also handle pulling, which is something that BRDs do only at very high levels and RDMs and BLUs really don't do at all.
That said, I agree with what some of the other people said. If you like RDM, be a RDM. If you're looking to the Brady guide for answers, which I suspect you are, I know it says that people with advanced jobs get PTs faster and are more sought-after than others. This is completely not true. Ask any endgame linkshell leader which jobs they really need right now. 95% of them will say RDM and WHM with maybe another job or two that they're low on for whatever reason. What you will never find is an HNMLS saying that they really desperately need DRGs, DRKs, BSTs, or PUPs. No disrespect intended to people who have raised those jobs. Any job is a perfectly legitimate choice, and any job can be great in the hands of a skilled player who is willing to put forth the time and effort to learn their job and get decent equipment. But the Brady guide puts forth this idea that the 6 starting jobs are jobs you only level until you can go unlock a "better" job. Nothing could be further from the truth. The 6 starting jobs are just as powerful as the other classes, and no one will ever look down on you because you decided to stick with RDM rather than jumping to an advanced job.召75|吟75|黒75|赤75|戦72|白60|獣40|忍37| 暗37|シ37|ナ32|侍30|モ30|竜21|青14||か8| 狩7|コ7
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Re: What advanced job?
Red Mage for life ... actually, the enfeebling is what turns me on to the class. 'Tis the reason for being a warlock, but then they're overpowered as well, what the heck.
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COR (rolls), SMN (blood pacts), DRK (abs spells+debuffs/dot), BLU (blue magic) and BRD (songs) and for that matter NIN (ninjitsu) can be played as support to some extent or another.Comment
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The only reason why i asked this is because it seems like everyone's main job is one of the advanced jobs(at least on Lakshmi), so i figured an advanced job may be somewhat an advanced form of the original jobs(and not just an addition-it seems like SE likes to expand on things and not just add). The other reason is because while I like rdm better than any other class, i'm not too big on being considered a back-up party member(not really a main healier, tank, or dd-even though a rdm can do a little of each) and figured an advanced job may be more considered a "main" party member(while being the most like rdm).
I do like Bard, but am not really sure what the strong point is(I usually experiment with a job to find out what is the best way of proceding).
The other reason why I asked is because i'm debating weather to stay as rdm, or use it as a sub-job, and level up a better "advanced" job as my main job. I am not looking to be the main job of a party(just something that has more of a role in parties---in some of the threads they kind of knock rdm's and I don't want to have problems when I get to higher level things) u have to know when to hold them, know when to fold themComment
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Yeah, it doesn't work quit like that. something termed an "advanced job" doesn't necessarily have a higher priority or greater importance in a party, it's just something extra that S-E added in. In this case, you initial instinct was slightly off, the additional jobs aren't really expansions of current ones(like in, say, FF:T), but really just additional roles, with some similarities to the base jobs.Originally posted by DR2D2 View Post
While it's true, playing WAR will give you some experience in leveling PLD, it's not as though you need one to grow into the other. As such, what I said before stands true. RDM is unique, it stands alone. BRD bears some similarities to it, BLU bears some similarities to it, COR bears some(slight) similarities to it, but none are anywhere near similar enough to RDM to consider them a natural evolution from it.
As far as responsibility and role, RDM is one of the most important jobs there is. Granted, for your first 30-or-so levels, you play little different from the WAR, BLM or WHM in your party, later on, you see the difference. There is always a need to Dispel a mob's buff, there will always be a need for a Mage that can Refresh(himself or others), and in general, we increase the endurance of a party. Without us, you'd see parties stopping to take MP or HP breaks like they were in their twenties. We also bear the capability of patching up emergencies, Chainspell + anything is a lifesaver, literally.
When you hear RDM being badmouthed, it comes from a number of reasons. RDM is high-demand, usually for Refresh. That said, I could walk into a party as 75RDM/1WAR and still be accepted. Why because most players are desperate enough to take on any RDM regardless of whether he/she is any good. This often leaves a bad taste in said players' mouths. RDM is also very busy in parties, whether they are exp, mission, or raid oriented. Even the best RDM can falter, and people usually only tend to notice us when something goes wrong. When we miss a Refresh or Haste, or fail to Dispel or otherwise enfeeble a mob n a matter timely enough for others, we take heat. Instead of appreciating the work we do to keep a party going, oftentimes, other player's shortsightedness will lead them to blame them for any setbacks to shortcomings they might have. Truth be told, we are practically a necessity for high-level/endgame activities, where you roles and responsibilities expand significantly.
In all if you're looking for an important job, RDM is a great choice, better than almost any advanced job(save BRD and COR), if you're looking for a low-responsibility job, then RDM is not and ideal choice, nor are the above similar jobs I mentioned. You said you preferred to not play the role of support, which RDM inevitably will in group play. I'd suggest you take up a melee oriented class, but bear in mind, none of them is really at all like RDM in action.Comment
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Re: What advanced job?
You don't have to be like everyone else; you like RDM and BRD, so level those as your main jobs.Originally posted by DR2D2 View Post
As "advanced" as you may think BRD is, for much of the game, RDM is busier (therefor, harder in some sense), and can take advantage of more support jobs than BRD. If you level both, you may find yourself switching to BRD to take a breather from intensity of playing RDM. (Not to say BRD isn't busy--it is, and you run around all the time between casting, unlike RDM.)
BTW, S-E didn't put any "advanced" job in FFXI--the company calls them "Extra Jobs" and "Standard Jobs". "Extra" just means unlockable, so not everyone has them-- it does not mean that they are better. So, still feel pressured to switch to an "extra" job? >_>
If you just want to feel wanted, RDM, BRD, and I guess COR soon, are definitely welcomed in parties. On more than one occasion, I've been asked to party on RDM while I was already in another party.
Now, this doesn't mean a RDM can get a party whenever he wants one--if there's no tank available, a party still can't be formed under normal circumstances. By the same token, though, most people will not want to party without a BRD or RDM (or COR) in the group around level 40's and up.
And, odd as it sounds, there will be nights when plenty of tanks are seeking, but party can't be formed because there are no DD's. While rare, it does happen, and even RDM or BRD will have to go to bed w/out a single experience point.Bamboo shadows sweep the stars,
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Re: What advanced job?
RDM FTW!
RDM was my first starting job, and it is my current main. I love the job, although like you I had misconceptions about it when I started. I thought it was the jack of all trades, and whilst it is, it doesnt stay like that.
I dont mind playing the support role, as any good party needs ALL of its members toperform their jobs properly, so support doesnt mean less important. Without support the DD's would drop in seconds.
As an RDM I get invites no problem. And I know in the future, I can solo mobs that no other job can solo (maybe some of the pet jobs but still not as effective as RDM.)
What other job can solo Fenrir?
Oh, to be honest, I can see where subbing RDM would be useful. As the SJ is half your level, the highest it would be is 37. At 37 the only spells you could really use would be diffucult to stick or do much dmg as the skill caps are also at half - i think I am right in saying this?Comment
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Sounds to me like you care too much about what others feel/think about you. If you're playing this game for others, then why play at all? Don't let other people tell you how you want to play. If you like RDM, forget what some people might say.Originally posted by DR2D2 View Post
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No, it's not an expansion. Advanced jobs are just little packages of the originals, with some frills and a couple of nice abilities. However, when you get right down to it, ALL advanced jobs suffer from the same weakness. They are incapable of performing their duties without a subjob.Originally posted by DR2D2 View Post
Warrior (War) - Job Ability
White Mage (WHM) - Class Spells, Job Abilities
Black Mage (BLM) - Class Spells, Job Trait
Thief (THF) - Job Abilities, Treasure Hunter
Monk (MNK) - Job Trait
Red Mage (RDM) - Job Trait
I'll leave it to you to figure out what those "important" "must-have" traits/abilities/spells are for each of those basic jobs. Needless to say, none of the advanced jobs can properly operate without having at least one of those basic job classes (probably with the exception of COR) to bring something beneficial to a party.Comment
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Truth, and a wise observation for one so new to the game. This comment gets the Icemage Seal of Quality!Originally posted by hongman View Post
Ordinarily yes. However, some jobs share skills with RDM - particularly Black Mage and White Mage.Oh, to be honest, I can see where subbing RDM would be useful. As the SJ is half your level, the highest it would be is 37. At 37 the only spells you could really use would be diffucult to stick or do much dmg as the skill caps are also at half - i think I am right in saying this?
Black Mages have high Elemental and decent Enhancing and Enfeebling Magic skills, and don't suffer much from having no inherent Healing Magic skill, so they can make use of all of the RDM spells they gain from a subjob very effectively (Dispel, Phalanx, Gravity). They have all of the elemental magic that RDMs have and more, so that part is wasted but it's still an excellent subjob for Black Mages.
White Mages have decent Enhancing and Enfeebling Magic skills, so they can make use of most of the RDM spell lineup (again, Dispel, Phalanx, Gravity), except for the Elemental (Stone, Fire, etc.) and only limited use of Dark Magic (Bio, Bio II). WHM/RDM is a particularly favorite combination that I like to use because it offers extremely fast spellcasting reaction times. As WHM/RDM at level 75 with full Cure speed upgrades from merits and gears, I can complete Cure spells at the 40% mark on the spellcasting bar - faster even than a pure RDM with all the bells and whistles.
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