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  • #16
    Re: Kiting in Under Observation

    I, too, have found that ES is not really needed for this fight. The first time I did it, I went RDM/BLM just like all the "common knowledge" said to do. I quickly learned that wasn't the best of ideas. I'm used to ALWAYS being /WHM unless asked to do something different, and I generally feel like my arm's been cut off when I use anything else. We DID manage to win, but I decided I'd feel a lot better about going /WHM for the next few runs, so I changed my SJ and went again.

    Getting bound *is* an issue. Stoneskin/phalanx/blink are your friends. I also like to keep Aquaveil up anytime I'm being chased around by something that could kill me if my spells aren't up. I use a lot of -spell interrupt gear when I do ANY 40BCNM fight, so that helped me out a lot when I would get bound and need to recast blink or stoneskin or whatever. Plus the -spell interrupt stuff is cheap cheap cheap.

    Petrification doesn't usually last very long (since we have that passive JA thingie that MAKES it not last terribly long) and if you're keeping yourself close to max HP and keeping all your buffs up when you ARE able to cast, you should be able to survive quite nicely through the time you're petrified. Get some distance between yourself and the eye ASAP when petrify wears off and then get your buffs back up and keep going.

    I found that using /WHM was extremely useful for helping out others who got paralyzed. Plus, you absolutely can't argue with the usefulness of DS + Convert, especially when you don't have CureIV. Having Curega in case things got nasty with the other two members toward the end of the fight (you know, when you're actually near them) was helpful too.

    As far as what to bring goes, I'd recommend a couple of yagudo drinks for each fight and you SHOULD be OK. An au lait isn't a bad idea either, since the higher level ones (like pamama or periskos) last for quite awhile. Granted, Regen doesn't take a lot of MP, but it DOES take awhile to cast and you can save several precious seconds this way.

    If you're REALLY worried about MP (like, maybe you're a galka and don't have any low level +MP equipment), maybe bring a few mulsims and use a couple at a time whenever you've got some distance between yourself and the eyeball. On the flipside, if you're a taru, you might want to grab a couple of hi-potions, especially since they're dirt cheap now that they fall from the sky in assault. That way you're covered if you get into an emergency situation, or if you just don't want to use up much MP healing yourself after convert.
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    • #17
      Re: Kiting in Under Observation

      I'm not a Red Mage, and I have never actually done this BCNM, but I think I can offer you a few pointers.

      Originally posted by Taskmage View Post
      When petrify wears I run back to the circle to try to nuke him off the ninja and get caught in another Bindga facing the eyes, with a pillar between me and the ninja so I can't cure him. I get the big eye off him and the ninjas finish off the smaller eyes, but I eat a Hex Eye. Nine consecutive attempts at Cure III get paralyzed and a ninja goes down.
      Do you mean that you got bound while facing the enemies, and you got hit with Hex Eye because of that? If so, keep in mind that you can still turn while bound, you just can't move. My brother used to complain that he couldn't turn while bound, until I showed him that he could. If you can't turn around the 'normal way' you can always go into first person and hold left or right (as in, the 4 or 6 key, not the arrows) to turn around.

      I might be wrong about that, but I'm pretty sure that I'm right.


      Also, if you are worried about getting paralyzed you could always bring some Remedy. I'm pretty sure those cure paralysis (wiki says that as well, so it's most likely true). You may want to bring a stack or two, I hear that you can loose items if you are paralysed when using them, so you may have to spam off quite a few (note that I've never seen that happen... but it was in an official FFXI newsletter).


      Anyway, I can't offer any other advice since I have never tried anything like what you want help with, but I hope I helped some anyway ^^

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      • #18
        Re: Kiting in Under Observation

        I can attest that you will lose items if you are paralyzed when trying to use them, just the same as you lose your TP when you are paralyzed on your WS. I was leveling BLU the other day for a bit of fun, fighting Funguars to learn Queasyshroom, and I got paralyzed by an Orc in the process ... I went through about 5 antidotes trying to get un-poisoned because of stupid paralysis. It really sucks.
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        • #19
          Re: Kiting in Under Observation

          Its true that ES isn't really necessary at all for this fight, but still prefer RDM/BLM overall because the two NINs that I always do this BCNM with know what they're doing well enough that keeping them alive when all of us are fighting the Sobbing eyes isn't even remotely hard. With /BLM, you can always Chainspell Drain to finish off a lingering Sobbing Eyes. I've used Chainspell Drain for fun several times when we're on the last run, and while there is a little bit of a resist problem, most of them land for pretty decent damage. Regardless, with either sub you can perform your job adequately.
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          • #20
            Re: Kiting in Under Observation

            You don't seriously need ES. But it's fun to have the reassurance of an enhanced debuff. And I've always gone as RDM/BLM.
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            • #21
              Re: Kiting in Under Observation

              I'm just going to chalk up my experience to rotten luck and give it another shot the next time I get a chance. I did cast my opening Gravities from maximum range, but I still got bound before taking so much as 5 steps rather than being able to run down to the start like it seems everyone else has been able to do. I'd still like to know how a ninja managed to get hate even though I'm certain I'm the only one who cast anything on the big eye. Thanks for the tips, though. Using first-person to turn around would have saved our butts in the second fight and using Barstone to up the resist rate on Breakga would have definately helped.
              Originally posted by tdh View Post
              Side Note: I still have no idea how as a RDM you've managed to collect so many damn BSeals Taskmage! I know I personally helped you Burn through 80~100 of them, and you're still trying to use them?
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              • #22
                Re: Kiting in Under Observation

                Originally posted by Taskmage View Post
                I still have nearly 300 seals. XD I can't get rid of them fast enough. Xinef's been complaining that you need to come back so we can milk crabs again. Easy money {I'm interested.} ^^
                Well I should be back in another week or two. But I don't know how many seals I have. I guess I'll have to start using my PUP17 to farm seals again. ^^ How much are the Bodies selling for these days? I know I need some gil, all kinds of 2M+ items on my wish list currently.

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                • #23
                  Re: Kiting in Under Observation

                  Sorry to bump this - but I've just started doing this BCNM, and my first attempt at it went horribly wrong (got Hex Eyed when I went to run past Sobbing Eyes (reached the end of the ramp and was beginning the reverse kite back up) and things went horribly wrong from there with numerous spell interrupts).

                  So a few questions about this :

                  1 - in the event you get Hex Eyed, is it Paralyna'able? i.e. would /WHM have an advantage here?

                  2 - I see 2 strategies here. The first is to stay at maximum casting range, which is a bit tricky unless you're an experienced kiter and know your ranges. The other is to gravity and then run as far as humanly possible. Does one work better than the other? It seems option 2 is the safest until you get within range of Breakga - whereas option 1 would avoid Breakga altogether if you stood within casting range (but then you might eat the odd Firaga or whatnot).
                  I'd guess for the noob option 2 works better?

                  3 - would a RDM, RDM, RDM combo work? (either as a BLM-wannabe manaburn party or with one kiter, and the other two nuking).
                  It seems this BCNM strategy either requires BLM, BLM, BLM, or RDM, NIN, NIN or BST - I'm curious what other combos might work effectively.
                  I'd wager with one RDM kiting, and the other two nuking down the small eyes, it could work. With Blink, Stoneskin, Phalanx, and the ability to heal eachother, it seems it could work well - especially as RDM/BLM (for better nukes and/or 'ga spells) or as RDM/NIN (for Utsusemi) - provided they could do enough damage with their nukes (highest nuke for RDM at 40 is Water II - so maybe cycle Water II, Stone II, Lightning, or cycle Waterga and Stonega? Once the smaller eyes die, those 2 RDMs convert, heal up, and whatnot, and then get ready for the big eye.
                  Has anyone tried this?

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                  • #24
                    Re: Kiting in Under Observation

                    In my opinion, RDMx3 wouldn't work at all. Even if the two RDM beat the compound eyes, You just wouldn't have enough MP to kill the Sobbing Eyes and stay alive at the same time. I suppose weirder things have happened... but regardless it would be an incredibly tough fight any way I can think of.
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                    • #25
                      Re: Kiting in Under Observation

                      Originally posted by Gwynn View Post
                      In my opinion, RDMx3 wouldn't work at all. Even if the two RDM beat the compound eyes, You just wouldn't have enough MP to kill the Sobbing Eyes and stay alive at the same time. I suppose weirder things have happened... but regardless it would be an incredibly tough fight any way I can think of.
                      Yeah, that's not such a great idea IMO. lol

                      NIN RDM RNG worked very well... I think that's common knowledge, however. >=)
                      Last edited by Shinhiryu_Kage; 12-10-2006, 06:37 AM.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Kiting in Under Observation

                        My group actually did this with RDM, NIN, and BST. After I commenced kiting, the BST set his jug pet after one of the eyes and he and the NIN took care of the other one rather quickly. Having the pet tank the other one helped them finish the damn things off quicker.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Kiting in Under Observation

                          Having /WHM would certainly help vs paralyze. But your chance of successfully casting a paralyna is as good as your chance with any other spell or item use. So, for all you know, you could spend 3 minutes trying to cast paralyna 9 times or more. And it's a 15minute battle/fight. So, should you get paralyzed again, well, time to sit back and spam that paralyna cast, again. Because one thing you'll quickly notice is that a Hex Eye ability is used so often.

                          So, it's best to get used to maneuvering so that you don't face any of the heckteyes. You won't get paralyzed if you do not face them eye to eye.
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                          • #28
                            Re: Kiting in Under Observation

                            Went with two naked NIN/BLM and myself as RDM/NIN.

                            And the Nin's had underleveld BLM subs (only had them for Warp, lol...)

                            I have about +8 enfeebling at lvl 40, and let me just say that aspect makes this fight a joke and a half. Oh, fun fact: RDM/NIN only loses 1-2 INT (depending on race) compared to RDM/BLM at lvl 40.

                            Dual-Wielding Solid wands and having Enfeebling Merits more than makes up for Elemental Seal.

                            My Binds and Gravities were NEVER resisted. In addition, don't forget that RDM have Bar-spells. At 40 we only get BarStone (BarPetrify is lvl 43..) but that's more than enough. I have a great screenshot, but DiV doesn't play nice with my .png files...

                            Pretty much both my NIN friends were petrifyed while I resisted. I was resisting Petrify left and right that entire series of runs....

                            Anyway, NIN/BLM spam the wheel, kill the other two eyes in minutes and don't even get touched. Then they proceed to rape the Sobbing Eyes that I've been making my bitch the entire night.

                            We didn't get and PCs, but the runs are fairly flawless, so it's all a matter of us having time to do it.

                            When I first did the run, I had HQ gear and HQ food and all sorts of stuff, but I couldn't land a single spell. I return later that year with Moderately decent gear, and I don't get touched.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Kiting in Under Observation

                              I always just wore my RSE for this fight, as it had decent stats and I didn't have anything else on me that was under 40.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Kiting in Under Observation

                                I did a run at this tonight with my friends again (PCC dropped btw ^^ woot!) and one of the three runs I ran into the same problem again. I got bound out of range to cast spells on the Sobbing Eyes and it turned and went after one of the ninjas. Luckily I was able to get unbound fast enough to save the ninja from death and we pulled out the win, but it still doesn't make sense that I lost hate from something that had only been cast on by me.

                                I have a theory though. Blink shadows. Whenever you lose a shadow you also lose a certain amount of hate. I think possibly it's a fixed amount of hate loss per shadow, so when my blink got wiped by one of his -gas, I lost enough hate to completely erase the enmity I got from Gravity and DoTs and got shoved to the bottom of the hate list. I know, it sounds weird but it's the only thing I can come up with. >.> The third fight I didn't case Blink since it's useless against his -ga spammage anyway and I didn't have the problem.
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