Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

[Jei]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

I think this demonstrates really well what Rdm does when soloing tough tough boss :D
http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/hom...ht=fenrir+solo

It's a Rdm/nin in that vid. Fenrir, the hardest of all avatars can wipe a whole group of 6 pretty easy.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

SMN/SAM? I probably shouldn't even bother to respond, but..

The short answer is:

No.


The sympathic answer is:

You'll be better off go try out your RDM/PLD combo first.


The real answer is:

Get the game installed first before you dream up even more ludicrous ideas. >_>

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

I said I wouldn't do it, and I only brought it up for fun. . .

[Taskmage]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

I'd been staying away from this thread for fear it would burst into flame. I'm stunned it's gone 8 pages more or less civilly.

Not that I would ever encourage such a thing, but I have a friend who's gotten smn into the 50s with nin as his only available sub. Don't ask me how on earth he managed to get parties, but it goes to say a lot about the possibility of leveling "unviable" subs for people who are persistent or, less diplomatically, stubborn as a pig. smn/sam I could see being a fun toy when fighting significantly weak things to practice skillchaining with your avatar and such. Hasso and Seigan give you a little extra offense or defensive ability, and more Spirit Taker means less downtime.

As was mentioned in another thread though, if you're fighting things that much weaker than you, you're probably farming, in which case thf is the go-to sub. If you're fighting significantly strong things, you're going to want a sub that's more functional in terms of supplementing your main job's abilities.

[BurningPanther]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

HALLELUJAH! I'd been telling people for ages that I'd heard of a RDM soloing Fenrir, and I was scoffed at not only for the idea, but lack of evidence! I knew the vid existed, but could never find it! Thank you Jei, thank you, for helping to reaffirm what I once thught was a mere delusion!

Don't ask me how on earth he managed to get parties,

Desperation. That's the only word for it.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

I thought Fenrir was the only exception to the RDM/NIN soloability? Maybe Phalanx II, Slow II, and Paralyze II helped?

Interesting idea nonetheless; I'll have to watch the vid when I get time.

[Kirsteena]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

I'm impressed - I knew that 3 rdm/nin could kill Fen, but 1 - damn...

And the survivability of rdm/nin. Helps me through some of my more idiotic phases...

[Mog]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

This thread has lasted way longer than it should have.

[Kirsteena]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

True, but this deviation isn't that bad...

[Armando]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

SAM/RNG isn't bad, but it doesn't really bring much to the table for SAM before Barrage, Sidewinder, and Accuracy Bonus II, (edit: Oh, and Soboro Sukehiro, which is what REALLY makes the combo deadly) so it's not surprising you outdamaged him. It's like someone going DD/THF pre-30 >.>

Yellow Mage: If you're dead set on doing it, then do it. Just keep one thing in mind - you don't always have to experience something to know that it will or won't work. I know that if I drop a piano over myself I'll get killed, though I've never tried, nor do I know of anyone that has. Think about why it's possible to predict that, and you'll understand why we know RDM/PLD doesn't work. The fact is that though we haven't tried it, we know exactly what /PLD brings to the table both on its own and compared to other subs. For /PLD to work, it'd have to have some powerful/useful hidden qualities that noone's ever found, which is about as likely as a WAR/BLM nuking in EXP efficiently.

Also, who knocked on PLD/RDM?! ;P (Just kidding, just kidding.)

EDIT: Oh, yeah, I've never fought Fenrir, so I wouldn't have any idea of how hard the fight is, but I do know he has a fame for being unsoloable, so kudos to the RDM that brought him to his knees. Pretty impressive.

[Celeal]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

At Crawler's Nest level range, it is the prime time for THF's SATA + Viper Bite. WAR/THF SA + Stumwind and MNK's Raging Fists comes second. As Armando mentions, SAM/RNG is not mature at that level range. What SAM really offers at that level is making 2 seperate SC.

Even at level 60, not every SAM can master SAM/RNG combo.

IMHO, with the new Hasso and Zanshin moved to level 20, SAM should use more G.Katana for TP gain, even for SAM/RNG.

[Kirsteena]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

Oh, yeah, I've never fought Fenrir, so I wouldn't have any idea of how hard the fight is, but I do know he has a fame for being unsoloable, so kudos to the RDM that brought him to his knees. Pretty impressive.

My set group went 1/8 on him - but we did fight him darksday Full Moon so it was maybe our own fault to an extent. I refuse to do him in anything but a smn party now...

[Murphie]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

Well, that doesn't bode well for my chances of getting him for when I level SMN. XD

[Kirsteena]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

I know enough smn, and you can refresh em. Easy peasy!

[Jei]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

I thought Fenrir was the only exception to the RDM/NIN soloability? Maybe Phalanx II, Slow II, and Paralyze II helped?
Interesting idea nonetheless; I'll have to watch the vid when I get time.

Just a note on the video. The Rdm only got hit once the entire fight for 1k+ damage. The reason he was able to dodge every other hits was because the use of ninja spell: Utsusemi. Utsusemi absorbs 3 attacks from enemies guaranteed. And in case Utsusemi wasn't ready or wore off too fast, the Rdm's spell Stoneskin was there to help with the extra hit.

The strategie itself is pretty standard Rdm solo routine. You slow down the enemy with gravity and bind, wear it down with DoT from poison and bio, and nuke it with blizzard III when you have the MP.

Phalanx II has zero use when you solo. This spell is a weaker version of Phalanx I that can be casted on party members. Phalanx I is stronger but is self only.

Fenrir is immune to paralyze.

As you can see, soloing tough mobs we use our spells. We can't go face to face with something able to hit you for 1k like that

For standing up close fighting with sword, you will want to search for Avesta's video. He did a few battle where he actually uses with sword against bosses. Every battle were Rdm/Nin by the way. Utsusemi is -the- spell that makes straight tanking tough enemies possible.