Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

[Taskmage]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

Bones take half damage from piercing weapons and 75% damage from slashing. Ghosts take 75% damage from slashing and piercing and 50% damage from blunt. However, it is true that the Banish line of spells, which paladins do get access to, will cancel out that damage resistance for a certain length of time.

To the OP, pld is a decent sub for soloing undead, but undead comprise a very small amount of the mob types in the game. Against mobs with MP, drk is much better with Drain, Aspir and Attack bonus while still giving access to EX sword WS. For general farming and tougher mobs, /blu will provide superior damage mitigation through Cocoon, Head Butt, which is very similar to Shield Bash only on a 10 second timer instead of a 5 minute one, more MP, access to Auto-Regen and a couple Killer traits for mobs that are more common than undead, and of course the EX sword wses.

/pld is by no means a useless sub for rdm, but I certainly wouldn't rate it highly for general purpose use.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

And thus it really isn't the Paladin that matters all as much as the Red Mage.

Paladin, we have basically concluded, is a "Jack-of-all-subs," providing a little bit of everything but not the most at anything.

Once again, I would like to thank Sucurro for the actual stats.

And, btw, I had no idea /BLU gave EX Sword WS's; is this confirmed?

[Taskmage]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

Yup, tried it myself the other night. Pleasant surprise, since I didn't know at the time either. ^^

[Aeni]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

Just to add, I believe if you wanted proficiency, and there's a couple of threads with regards to this, if you must have both PLD and RDM, you should look into PLD/RDM as opposed to RDM/PLD.

Avesta already has shown the versatility of RDM/BLU and has already taken apart the RDM/NIN combination and probably has perfected his techniques with regards to that job combination. I'm sure Avesta has already undertook RDM/PLD, but unless you know Japanese, there's no real way of communicating your ideas to him and have him provide you with real experience feedback.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

I honestly have nothing constructive to add to the discussion without responding with something that would be mean and uncalled for.

So, I'll say that RDM/PLD is nice, but stop being so obnoxious and realize that you're cutting yourself off at the knees and attempting to run a marathon. I had an entire post about using RDM/PLD in exp, but it was situational and under any circumstances, RDM/WHM with a better PT setup and a better hunting ground would have been 5 times better.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

For Future Reference, that post is here.

(Oh my goodness, this happened in June. I haven't played this damn game in so long >_> )

[Aeni]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

For Future Reference, that post is here.

(Oh my goodness, this happened in June. I haven't played this damn game in so long >_> )

I don't know why the OP was being so defensive either. He already admitted he has never played this game before and it doesn't look like he's going to play the game anytime soon (If he's still researching the game)

The posts made by Jei, Icemage, Taskmage and others are made with actual experience in mind. I don't know if the OP realizes this, but many of the players here who've posted their responses have played RDM and some have end game experiences as either RDM main or have been playing with RDMs for so long that it almost feels like they've played the job themselves.

I think just 4 or 5 players here collectively we got maybe a good 15+ years exerience. I don't see why the OP should dismiss these posts entirely.

Let me also add to the OP that, unless you are exclusively soloing the entire content (Which would be impossible to pull off due to the nature of the game itself) individual stats are almost dismissable in entirety. I say this because, even if you're off by 2 MND points, this does not destroy any or all chances for the team to pull off a victory in any kind of challenge.

I would highly encourage the OP to put away his paper and pencil and concentrate on just playing the game. The priority for the OP should be:

-Decide on your character.
-Decide on what city you want to start in.
-Focus on raising your character and learn how to organize parties.
-Get a feel for your environment.
-Subjob quest at level 18.
-Getting to Jeuno - takes a lot of time and care.
-Chocobo quest at level 20.

Not to mention that gil makes the world go around. You'll spend much of your time involved with the economy, bettering your character as you progress in levels. What you do at level 75 has no bearing on what you're going to be doing on a day-by-day basis in the first few levels.

[Mog]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

-Decide on your character.
-Decide on what city you want to start in.
-Focus on raising your character and learn how to organize parties.
-Get a feel for your environment.
-Subjob quest at level 18.
-Getting to Jeuno - takes a lot of time and care.
-Chocobo quest at level 20.

His mind is set, Aeni. It seems he wants to go through with this combination despite the fact that he has no game experience, only going on what he read on the internet.

Who knows? Maybe he'll pull something off and surprise us all.

[Taskmage]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

/shrug I think this is something a lot of new players do. When I was a newb and poring over every morsel of information I could find on the internet while I waited to get the game, I was dead set on playing rdm/pld or rdm/nin for a while too. Either he will turn into a bad player who clings steadfastly to a substandard job combination because of percieved "cool factor" or a refusal to admit wrong, or he'll turn into a good player who understands the pros and cons of subjobs as they relate to the roles he will play, and doesn't reject nonstandard subs out of hand simply for being nonstandard. Based on his comments I think it will be the latter. He's weighing the abilities that each subjob provides in terms of what situations they might be useful in and what they add to the main job; it's just that he doesn't have a context for how common or useful those things will be since he hasn't actually played yet. The attitude is a little closed-minded and defensive, but coming here looking for information after seeing the flames other people have gotten for being overzealous about overly creative subjobs, I could kind of understand that.

[Jei]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

Hehe kinda like me restarting Dragon Quest 8 many times just to get the "best" skill built ^^ That game you can't reskill. What's chosen, is set forever. You can't do that with FFXI tho. Everything your character can do, your character will be able to learn them all. And you will never make mistakes building your character wrong, because all stats are automatic. You can even change your job at anytime so you can't be stuck with the wrong sub job either.

[Taskmage]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

At least ... you can't mess up until endgame. ^^ If you get a Knight's Earring or Sattva Ring ...

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

First, and least, what does "OP" mean?

Second, I would like to thank all of you for info and constructive critisism. I understand what my priorities would be. Except, I kind of had it formatted like this:

-Start game as Tarutaru Red Mage.
-Level Solo to 18 (I've heard it is, indeed, doable).
-Do Sub-Job Quest.
-Train Solo as White Mage with Red Mage subbed to White Mage 15.
-Start opening eyes a little wider to partying as Red Mage/White Mage.
-Train as Red Mage with White Mage subbed to Red Mage 30.
-Do Paladin Quest.
-Train as Paladin with Red Mage subbed to Paladin 37.
-Train as Red Mage with Paladin subbed to Red Mage 75.

Of course, this isn't strict, as I'll most likely do hundreds of other stuff in between.

Third, I won't start FFXI until I'm finished with another particular MMORPG which, for security purposes (or copyright or whatever taboo reason) will remain nameless.

Fourth, I understand everything I'll deal with and what difficulties I'll have, though I understand what potential lies for me. A road isn't long and hard without having some kind of value at the end .

Fifth, I'll be sure that, when I finally start, I'll make you all smile .

Once again, thanks: to all of you .

[Jei]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

Hmm if any job can solo to 18 I guess Rdm is possible. I would not recommend you skipping your first change to party tho. You need to learn the party mechanism ASAP. Just my opinion. Knowing what job combinations make good parties means you can make a working group. Instead of relying on random pickups which are quite a gamble to join one.

By the way, you will most likely never make pass 20 for your paladin if you insist on using redmage for your sub job. Paladin is cursed, I know, you need /war as your one and only sub to get a party.

I would recommend this.
- Get your Rdm to level 10
- Do the rank 2 mission. If it's too hard, try again at 15.
- No more than 14 you should at least join a party once just to see how it works.
- Get to 18, get your sub job.
- You can't solo your sub job. So, make friends, ask for help.
- play around with Blm and Whm. You can stick to just Whm, but having Blm means more versatility to your Rdm and I highly recommend you take both up.
- Rdm to 30.

From here, if you want to level up PLD you will need to do some side tracking
- level up Mnk to 10, War to 20.
- Sub war for your PLD. Play as Pld/War to 37.

I'm serious. PLD/WAR is the only way you can level up the job. PLD is not a flexible job like Rdm where we have many useful utilities on our own regardless of our sub.

[Taskmage]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

OP = Original/Opening Post/Poster, used interchangably to refer to the post or user that started the thread.

That plan looks good except for the one glaring problem that paladins won't get parties without a warrior sub. This isn't a grey-area issue like rdm subs; people invite paladins to be tanks and tanks must have the Provoke ability. You may have read another post on these boards about the viability of pld/rdm tanking using blind and bind spam to keep hate, but that situation was almost certainly with some high-class gear after level 35 when pld gets auto-refresh and with another dedicated refresher in the party, which you're extremely unlikely to find before level 40. Even if you found a way to make it work pre-35, there's still the matter of getting other players to accept it and give you a try in a party, which would be a challenge way above and beyond leveling rdm/pld from 30-75.

At any rate, good luck in your endeavors. I'm sure you'll figure out must of this stuff on your own once you're in the game. Look forward to seeing you in Vana'diel.

[Lmnop]

Re: Looking for an endgame Taru RDM/PLD

would like to point out that my brother just soloed his Samurai to 19 the other day. Was 12 about 8 game-hours earlier (game-hours as in, time logged in. He didn't do it all in one sitting so there was some Exp ring abuse). Samurai isn't known for it's soloability.

Any job can solo quite far with the right set-up. In general, buy Meat Jerky from shops and either have a cure spell and an MP pool or sub WHM. So yea, you can solo your PLD and your RDM quite far. But getting Pld to 37 will prove very difficult w/out War sub. Pld/rdm is nice for solo, but I think even Armando would discourage the combo for party use at that level. Even if it is a good combo for that level, I wouldn't suggest it for anyone w/out an understanding of pld/war play.

Luckily, leveling low level fast-killing jobs makes you lots of money, and you can solo your WAR as war/whm all the way to 15 easily. So you can already have Mnk leveled to 9 or so (takes 2-3 hours, makes you lots of $$$. Should be noted that Rdm and Whm are about the slowest jobs to solo to 10), and sub it to war to 18... whatever. You'll find this game is simply time. It will seem horrible the first time, since it takes YEARS to solo w/out a subjob. But the rest of the jobs you do are just a couple afternoons.