My beef about the lazy MP using jobs...

[Sepa]

Don't get me wrong, I love being a BLM, casting those spells that do a crazy amount of damage; while WHM is ok, everyone needs health right.
SMN is cool, though you are more used as a WHM, more then anything, BLU is a fun job,
PLD and DRK are great jobs as well.

The thing that just ticks me off, is the lazy WHM and BLM that just sit there and basically get easy Exp.

The WHM slack off, and by mid way I'm doing there job; then a little bit later the BLM only cast 2 to 3 spells in a battle.

Which obviouslly slows down the battle.


My ideal party doesn't even have any other MP using jobs besides me {RDM} and either a BLU or PLD.

I'd rather have
Either 1)PLD/WAR or BLU/???, 2)NIN/WAR, 3)RNG/NIN, 4)THF/NIN, 5)MNK/WAR, & RDM/BLM {me}



I've had this party set up a few times now, and It's been great; no deaths, the RNG doens't have to stop pulling.

But when you have 3-4 or 5 people using MP, all I do is Refresh the whole battle; I can throw in a Haste, a Dispel, and maybe 2 Enfeeb's.


Most WHM and SMN/WHM let the party members health of 2-3 members get to the dark yellow or light yellow before they start healing, and almost none of them use Regain.


I know each job as a use, and if used right, it can really be used to help the party.
I've just yet to find a good BLM, WHM, and SMN;.

Is this just a problem on my server, or is this just what happens to WHM, BLM, and SMN's?

/sigh

[Murphie]

Re: My beef about the lazy MP using jobs...

Sounds like it's just a run of bad luck to me. There are some exceptional WHMs and BLMs out there. But there are a lot of lazy ones too. There are a lot of lazy Red Mages out there as well, so let's not be too critical.

Sounds to me like a bad player problem more than a bad job problem.

[Sepa]

Re: My beef about the lazy MP using jobs...

Hmmmm.... Good point, I have ran across some really bad RDM as well;
I dont' mean for it to sound like I'm bashing the other MP using jobs.
They are actually my favorite jobs.
RDM, BLM, PLD, SMN, BLU... ect... love them! :D

[Vaigrant]

Re: My beef about the lazy MP using jobs...

Im not a fan of all Melee PTs, I like other mages mostly cause I dont like healing as Rdm. Although a "Lazy" mage is a crappy mage, which basically means you got someone whos just sitting there gobblign up XP that could be better spent on a player who would be better used else where.

Although while a Lazy Mage is bad in the fact that they're getting Easy XP, its probably better than a Zealous Mage, who burns all their MP before the Mobs even half dead and gets aggro and in some cases even Voke wont produce enough hate to save them.

Being a Mage is usually about learning restraint and balance, although I think Rdms have an easier time of this, but this is due to observations Ive had in PTs. Since our most used enfeebles are generally the ones we get at low lvls I assume they produce low level hate, while say a Blm gets newer more "Damage Creative" spells that make more and more hate when used.

Its not hard to tell a good mage from a bad mage, it just sounds like youve had bad luck in finding the lot of bad ones to turn you off from other mages lol.

[Aeni]

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I just tend to find that the % of laziness runs deeper among mages than melee. No, it's actually not a biased opinion. There's a difference from AFK'ing in the middle of a fight as a BLM because you're "trying to regain mp at 60%" and trying to AFK in the middle of a fight on your PLD after a couple of vokes. The latter case, no one can pick up your slack, in the case of the former, there's always another mage to pick up your slack.

That's a fact.

[raidenn]

Re: My beef about the lazy MP using jobs...

I knew a lazy RDM who complains right away if there are more than 2 people in an XP party he needs to refresh. Is this common?
Other jobs have it hard too, Nin tanks have to count shadows and provoke , Thf have to worry about hate management and skillchains and etc.

[Murphie]

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More than 2 is a bit extreme. Now, having to refresh a full party of 6 would probably make me pretty grumpy. But 3ish? Not so much.

[raidenn]

Re: My beef about the lazy MP using jobs...

Luckily there have been an influx of really good RDMs recently. I see more of them around too. Once there was a Japanese one who was soloing Ose and some NMs and offered to let us join her to lot for the drop. No drop though but it was a nice gesture.

[Jei]

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Every job have their share of lazy-leeching players. It's just more noticable with casters I guess. Lazy fighters still auto-attack.

[sevenpointflaw]

Re: My beef about the lazy MP using jobs...

See, now I take a little offense at this, having been called (by a RDM) a lazy XP leech that needed to be booted (because apparently fully hasting the party, keeping them alive with nothing but Regen II/III, and still having 900+ mp is a bad thing).

The day I will take these sort of complaints to heart is the day that RDM and BLM stop casting Cure II or Cure III after every Regen III. The day that they stop fast casting Cure IV under my Cure III.

If you want to know why WHM wait, its because we can heal 750+ HP with Cure V, and with everyone always over casting our regens, or undercasting our cures, the only tool we have left to save MP is to wait until we can cast Cure V and then some. At least that way we still get a full cure off even if the RDM Cure III.

Not saying that all RDM and BLM do this, but I will go out on a limb and say that an overwhelming majority of RDM do (most probably don't even realize it - they see yellow health, they have time, they cast Cure III - over my regen).

[Auron517]

Re: My beef about the lazy MP using jobs...

It's already been said a couple times, but there are lazy players on every job that we encounter from time to time. But you're probably just having rotten luck with getting into parties with bad mages.

Lately, i've been partying with Red Mages on my White Mage where getting them to help me haste the meele is like pulling teeth. Alot of the RDM I party with are allergic to that spell in one way or another.

[Murphie]

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When I played WHM I prefered to handle haste duties, to be honest. Saved the RDM one more thing to do. But as a RDM I wouldn't mind doing it, so I guess I'm just a control freak. XD

[raidenn]

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I had one weird Rdm party member before. Never spoke much and did'nt even carry a sword. She asked for a warp cudgel using the tabbed words and proceeded to do melee with us. We had to ask her to refresh every time we needed refresh. The moment she leveled (around 7 kills), she immediately left without a word. Weird huh? I had a weird feeling that this guy bought his character and this was his first time playing with a party.

[tdh]

Re: My beef about the lazy MP using jobs...

See, now I take a little offense at this, having been called (by a RDM) a lazy XP leech that needed to be booted (because apparently fully hasting the party, keeping them alive with nothing but Regen II/III, and still having 900+ mp is a bad thing).

The day I will take these sort of complaints to heart is the day that RDM and BLM stop casting Cure II or Cure III after every Regen III. The day that they stop fast casting Cure IV under my Cure III.

If you want to know why WHM wait, its because we can heal 750+ HP with Cure V, and with everyone always over casting our regens, or undercasting our cures, the only tool we have left to save MP is to wait until we can cast Cure V and then some. At least that way we still get a full cure off even if the RDM Cure III.

Not saying that all RDM and BLM do this, but I will go out on a limb and say that an overwhelming majority of RDM do (most probably don't even realize it - they see yellow health, they have time, they cast Cure III - over my regen).

I've gone out of my way to make sure I don't "out do" the WHM. I think I've gotten pretty good at this, the problem being is that my Healing Magic is WAY under leveled. lol Wasn't until I started doing Merit TP Burns that I leveled Healing Magic to Lv.180!

I used to try and Cure with the WHM. WHM would cast Cure III, so I'd cast Cure or Cure II to help top them off. This was all before Regen II, but with Regen II and III I never do this any more. (Nevermind I never party with WHMs any more since there just aren't any around it seems.) The rare occasion I have a WHM with me, the only time I Cure is after I Convert, or if the WHM runs outta MP for some reason. Sometimes I wish the WHM would let me help out a little more. haha

But back to the O.P. There does seem to be this inbalance amoung mages. One mages is over achieving, and another might as well not be there. There were times where I used to love doing 2 RDM parties. EXP should never stop, with both of them working together they should both be able to Magic Burst, and the world should be happy. Problem is it just never works like that any more. Next thing you know I'm Refreshing/Hasting everybody keeping everybody a live, and no MP to do anything extra.

Part of that is our faults though. If we just communicated with the other mages to find out who's going to Haste who, or things like that, we may find that things go smoother. Instead one person decides another mage isn't doing things how they would do it, so they just take over the job.

[Murphie]

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Part of that is our faults though. If we just communicated with the other mages to find out who's going to Haste who, or things like that, we may find that things go smoother. Instead one person decides another mage isn't doing things how they would do it, so they just take over the job.

I've definitely noticed this trend. It's especially frustrating when there is a language barrier, and you can't just say "Hey, I've got [task] covered, so you can feel free to focus on [other task]."

Just the other day I joined a party that had a WHM and NIN, and they seemed determined to cast everthing that I thought I should be casting. I hate double-casting and wasting MP so I just focused on Gravity and nuking. It was annoying though.