Heh I need some help please @_@

[Daryn2889]

Ok so I am coming back after 2 years. My previous character was a brd/whm, and I had some experiences in ALL other jobs except for Red Mage. Now I have come back, and my goal has been to get puppetmaster. Well I got my monk all the way up to level 30, and got the PUP. However I am deeply disappointed with the PUP right now (I hope they will change it significantly because I put a lot of time to get the job in less than 2 weeks) but now I have a new goal.

I still have not even leveled Red Mage, but I want to be either a smn/red or a red/smn. What would be a subjob for red mage to get by while I wait to start summoner to sub it? Thanks!

[Taskmage]

Re: Heh I need some help please @_@

Sub blm or whm to rdm. Any other sub is situational and only effective at higher levels, smn moreso than others.

[Ryddr]

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By generic standard, I say BLM or WHM. Preferably BLM from what I've seen other RDMs use.

[Kittyneko]

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Smn/rdm ... no

Double Post Edited:
For low level, maybe sub war

[Daryn2889]

Re: Heh I need some help please @_@

Smn/rdm ... no

Double Post Edited:
For low level, maybe sub war

Really? I read somewhere that that would be a good combo... hmmmm

[Raydeus]

Re: Heh I need some help please @_@

Up to lvl 39 /WHM is more useful than /BLM, most of the time you'll be main healing or backup so having Divine seal will be a life saver.

However there's one good reason to sub BLM since lvl 20-25, and that's Elemental seal, since at that lvl we don't have much good gear to work with the only way to ensure that Sleep (lvl 25) is gonna land is that.

After lvl 40 when you get Convert, and then Refresh at 41 subbing BLM for Conserve MP will help you a lot. That's when /BLM will be the prefered sub unless you are main healing. Elemental debuffs (lvl32+), Drain (lvl24) and Aspir (lvl50) are added bonus too .

[arkaine23]

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SMN/RDM would work ok as a solo sub. However, player perception has made SMN into mostly a main healer all the way up to level 70, and you will be hard-pressed to find a party that invites you to deal damage and cast AOE buffs only. Given SMN gets very few tools to effect main healing in and of itself, it gets most of its healing ability from subjob. While RDM as a subjob does give some healing spells, when you comapre it to WHM up to level 37, you'll find:

/WHM gets:
Curagas
all single target healing spells earlier than RDM
Raise earlier than RDM
Bar-element-ra line of spells (RDM are self-only versions)
protect/shell -ra line of spells (RDM are single-target)
slightly more mp than rdm
status removal spells such as poisona, paralyna, blinda, and erase

/RDM gets:
En-element spells, gravity, & nukes (at 1/2 level ehancing/enfeebling/elemental magic they won't stick/do much on xp mobs)
Phalanx
Dispel
Fast Cast



SMN is treated as a second-rate white mage with avatars for most of its career. Not playing this role most of the time will get you much slower xp, i.e. soloing. It's sad really. SMN is a great job and can be played many ways.


RDM/SMN on the other hand... provides some nice MP and auto-refresh at lvl 50/25+, as well as an AOE blink blood pact and link-free pulling... but gives no utility spells that one would have if /whm or /blm, hence it is not usually the best subjob for a red mage to use in most circumstances.

[Daryn2889]

Re: Heh I need some help please @_@

Thanks! This has been very helpful

[Gwynn]

Re: Heh I need some help please @_@

Yeah, I'd sub WHM or BLM to RDM...

For most of the way up to level 50~ I subbed BLM, then I started trying out WHM more and fell in love with it. Nowadays, I only sub BLM while I'm going around by myself for warp, or if a party requests it.

[Sigmara]

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From my point of view /SMN is the less situationnal but, yes it seems to gives less when others are in their best setup for exping.

/BLM : only thing not situationnal here is conserve MP, witch I dont like in exp situation. Others things are based on weak skills and/or depend of the mob you are fighting.

/WHM : na spells and such are nice but not always needed because either : you are fighting crabs or such "nice mobs", or you party already has 2 WHM or /WHM.

Don't get me wrong, they are great subjobs but they are not the only ones /SMN is pretty good too and I lvled as /SMN post lvl 30.

Now, yes RDM/anything can lvl to 75 but peoples will not say that you are good if they did not met crappier RDM's before nor will they invite you again the day after.

To conclude I would say : lvl as much a of theses subjob as you can as you will need the 3 end game, but for exping choose the one you like the most and be good with it. All of them require a different play style. Pick something you like, you have to freedom of doing so and be good at it because you like what you are doing.