MND/MP <or> INT/MP????

[Murphie]

Re: MND/MP &lt;or&gt; INT/MP????

Well Patch did say "If one wants to be the best", not "Everyone should."

Now, having more gear to swap in and out isn't going to make a person a better player, true. But it is going to enable a good player to make the most of their job and the gear they have available.

[Aeni]

Re: MND/MP &lt;or&gt; INT/MP????

Let me also add that I haven't leveled RDM in nearly 2 mos and there is a firm reason for this. Two of my best JP friends have gone on to level past me, as I apologized to them and asked them to not wait for me.

I'm trying to come up with 18 mil (Might be 20 mil now) to get just three F*CKING pieces of equipment that to me would be so worth it. I'm not complaining about this. People might say these might be luxury items. So what if they are, if they make me feel comfortable and give that extra "placebo" effect in doing my job as a RDM, so be it.

That's why I find your remarks offensive. I'm working hard on this, yet for some reason, your comment struck a nerve in me. It's disrepsectful for not just myself, not just RDMs, but for all players.

[Murphie]

Re: MND/MP &lt;or&gt; INT/MP????

How is it disprespectful to suggest that people who want to maximize their effectiveness take the time and effort to do so?

[Aeni]

Re: MND/MP &lt;or&gt; INT/MP????

Well she did say "If one wants to be the best", not "Everyone should."

I don't think I was unclear when I said the best RDMs carry around multiple sets of gear?

This is what I'm referring to.

[Murphie]

Re: MND/MP &lt;or&gt; INT/MP????

He said the best RDMs carry around multiple sets of gear. That's pretty true, in my experience.

[Aeni]

Re: MND/MP &lt;or&gt; INT/MP????

How is it disprespectful to suggest that people who want to maximize their effectiveness take the time and effort to do so?

You need to re-read between the lines. In essence, if she just left it with a "As long as you try your best and can come up with a way to be resourceful, you're a good RDM in my book" instead of the "Only the 100 million gil spender is the best RDM out there."

[Murphie]

Re: MND/MP &lt;or&gt; INT/MP????

I think you're reading too much between the lines. From what I've seen of his posts, in this thread and others, he isn't saying that only the people with 100 million gil in gear are the best. He's just suggesting that people who want to be the best generally take the time and effort to acquire the items that help them get there.

[Taskmage]

Re: MND/MP &lt;or&gt; INT/MP????

I'm at 60 slots. I carry a 6-10 item bazaar, my 8 staves, 7 slots of party gear that I don't swap, 4 swaps for int, 4 swaps for mnd, 2 rings for Convert, 13 slots of gear I use for soloing, and a couple slots for food. That leaves ten slots for party loot which is enough unless you're getting beetle shells or some nonstacking junk, most of which isn't worth keeping anyway. If I left my bazaar and solo gear at home I could get away with only having one or two gobbiebags.

I don't think anyone has said anything about VC, Genius Rings, Penitent's Rope or any of those luxury items. You can get some +3 mnd and int rings for 80k each on my server and some Devotee's Mitts for 30k. If you can't afford 400k for Promise Badge, Holy Phial is 130k, and Black Neckerchief is free through an easy easy quest. That's less than 500k worth of items that you can swap in for +14 mnd on your white magic and +7 int on your black magic from those 4 slots. Easily obtainable in a few evenings of carp fishing.

I don't see how this is too taxing on the inventory or on the pocketbook. I don't consider it elitist, I think it's standard. A good player will do at least that much to maximize their performance. Again, if you come to a party with equipment below this bar (assuming you're not naked or something) I'm not going to berate you or kick you out of the party, but if you're not at least working towards that level then I don't think you're taking your job seriously and I won't take you seriously.

Double Post Edited:
Multiple sets of gear does not necessarily translate to a wardrobe of multimillion gil items. I don't think she meant that. Not that VC isn't a great and cool thing to have, but mostly we're talking about int and mnd swaps.

Double Post Edited:
Err Patch = she, right?

[Murphie]

Re: MND/MP &lt;or&gt; INT/MP????

Actually, now that I think about it (and look closer at the avatar), probably not! Is my face red.

Now to go edit things so I'm not calling Patch a girl. Unless I'm right, at which point...oh nvm.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: MND/MP &lt;or&gt; INT/MP????

*grumble* No need to be so sensitive... It's hardly "elitist attitude" to say "make sure your enfeebs land."


Terrible RDM: "I do what I want!"

Bad RDM: <not thinking, not researching>

Mediocre RDM: "eh... I have the Devotee's Mitts, and it has nice MND+5 but bad INT-4. Better swap something else in for Gravity and Sleep."

Good RDM: "Can I get away with MND+2 from Savage Gauntlets given the MND from other slots and food I'll be using instead of using Devotee's Mitts? Or should I stick with Devotee's and swap in something else depending on spell? If I farm a week I can upgrade to MND+3 rings to offset the loss, maybe?"

Great RDM: <not sure... I'm not one... They probably just ask themselves better questions.>

Asking people to think critically about the trade off in gears is hardly "elitist"; and if a person spend a few moments to ponder about it at all, it's easy to see that a great way to make better use out of cheaper gears is macro equip swaps. ^_^; Honest.

I'm still farming for my MND+3 rings... ~220k last sale. Each. /sigh I am so not elite... should have had those at Lv.10... (But, trying to be good.)

[Taskmage]

Re: MND/MP &lt;or&gt; INT/MP????

Saintlys are ~300k on Lakshmi but Solace is ~80k. Only difference is level 10 req vs level 36. I got the Saintlys ... no idea why considering I hardly ever do anything level capped. Solace might have been out of stock for a long time ...

[Icemage]

Re: MND/MP &lt;or&gt; INT/MP????

I'm not decked out in the most amazing gear possible - my gear is good, but not spectacular, and I totally de-emphasize INT on my setup since I honestly rarely if ever cast any black magic aside from the odd magic burst.

Gravity is too spotty even with lots of INT (tested) to be worth boosting INT for. Blind is nice, but (a) it doesn't help Paladins at all since they have terrible Evasion (b) it only marginally helps NIN when they fail to stick Kurayami : Ni. Which leaves Sleeps and elemental enfeebles. Sleep is much more dependent on Enfeebling Magic and Magic Accuracy, so I stack all of that I can. I can count the number of times I've subbed BLM in an XP party since level 30 on one hand despite having it available as a fully levelled subjob, so no emphasis on the elemental enfeebles for me.

Not that I don't get "some" INT from gear where I can manage it (errant), but I definitely don't go out of my way to accumulate gear with it; I don't bring my Black Silk Neckerchief out for XP, nor my Eremite+1 ring. It just isn't worth the extra slots. I carry 45 slots worth of gear as it is, and that's NOT counting solo gear.

Most of my gear is focused on Enfeebling Magic, with a minor in Magic Accuracy, and a heavy heavy emphasis on +MP and +HP. To me, the miniscule difference in performance from a fistful of INT or MND is vastly offset by the 100 extra MP I get per Convert due to my careful use of HP/MP balancing gear.


Icemage

[Patchinko]

Re: MND/MP &lt;or&gt; INT/MP????

Aeni, the responses to my statement have gotten out of hand, and I'm certainly not trying to offend anyone! You're reading too far into what I've said. If you are ever on Remora, you can check out my gear... it's hardly worth millions of gil (ok, maybe over a million, but I don't have a Verm Cloak, for example, or a Penitent's Rope)

However, I have different sets of rings (saintly+1s, zircons), different weapons (+1 wand, elemental staves), different earrings (moldavite, morions, wizard's), and so forth for casting specific spells. The expensive items I do have are picked based on how often I'll use them and their effectiveness (like elemental staves). I consider myself a fairly good RDM, and I do think that having different suits of gear to augment the power of my individual spells is a part of that.

That said, I don't think telling a newer RDM that getting a single suit that focuses on MND is reasonable. Yes, you have a limited number of bag slots. So you should figure out what gear sets will give you the maximum return for using the spaces and bring them with you.

Just my opinion anyway.

Oh, and Patchingko is definately a boy. >.>

[Murphie]

Re: MND/MP &lt;or&gt; INT/MP????

I went back and edited! Sorry, Patchinko. I wasn't paying attention.

[Taskmage]

Re: MND/MP &lt;or&gt; INT/MP????

I ... umm ... *points to Aelathir* It's his fault!