Do you have erase?

[Gobo]

Re: Do you have erase?

Screw Marine M gloves. Get rank 8 Windy and drop the 40k CP for Master Caster's Braclets. Its an ele and enfeeble torque on your hands in ares outside nations control (with signet, including Sea, Dynamis and Aht Urghan. Santion doesnt work though).

And erase is very nice /WHM. Its worth every gil to get rid of the pesky slowga moves that Haste wont fix and getting rid of Dia or Bio.

[Jei]

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http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/1755
it says
* Outside of Nation Controlled Area: Intelligence +1
* Mind +1
* Enfeebling Magic Skill +7
* Elemental Magic Skill +7

The outside of nation controlled applies to the whole thing? will its use be too limitting?

Does that mean it will always work in ToA area?

[Aksannyi]

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I do, in fact, have Erase. Bought it with gil I made from selling a scroll of Utsusemi:Ni from a BCNM I did trying to get Erase. (So either way, I got the scroll.) It's a great scroll, to be honest, but I hardly ever sub white mage. However, I have plans to level white mage up to 75 as well, so I'll definitely need it.

I think a better strategy for the Royal Jelly BCNM is that one DD goes right, and the other goes left, RDM stands in the middle and tosses out cures until the queen spawns (if, in fact, she does.) Having the DDs with a /NIN really helps. A lot.

[Deltran]

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Man erase is only 250k on my server

[ClydeArrowny]

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The outside of nation controlled applies to the whole thing? will its use be too limitting?

All items with this description do not work in ToAU areas which is a bit disappointing. However, other than that, yeah it works for everything. It even works in your actual home country (and the dynamis there) despite the description, just not the areas owned by your nation.

[Hamlet]

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Hmm, I really like those braclets, but not as a replacement for the Marine M Gloves. I imagine I'll be spending alot of time in the new areas 70+ and if they don't work there, it's pointless. I still would like to get them though.. do you have to be from Windy to get them, or is it one of the items where if your country is above theirs you can get them? If you do have to be from Windy, would I have to change alligenence to get rank8? I don't know if I would go through all of that just for handgear. Maybe eventually, after I get rank 10 bastok (just 8 now) and have less more immediate goals to accomplish.

[swingfly]

Re: Do you have erase?

Yes, you need to be Rank 8 and a citizen of Windy to be able to get the gloves. Citizens of Bastok or San d'Oria can not buy them.

As for Erase: definately, definately get it. Don't sell your gear to get it though, farm/BCNM/whatever to raise gil for it instead. If you sell the Enfeebling Torque or the Marine Gloves you will eventually regret it.

[Gobo]

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All items with this description do not work in ToAU areas which is a bit disappointing. However, other than that, yeah it works for everything. It even works in your actual home country (and the dynamis there) despite the description, just not the areas owned by your nation.

It works fine for me in ToAU areas, as long as I have signet on. (still have 305 enfeebling in the field). If you use sanction though, the effect goes away. The bracelts work as long as you are in an area that isnt under your nations control or not subject to conquest (which is never under your nations control).

the only time I've ever taken off my Mst Cst braclets is when I am stuning (use Crimson hands) or meleeing (orge hands).

Hmm this has gotten off the topic of erase lol XD

[Fynlar]

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My "outside of nation's control" items do not seem to work in the AU areas period, Signet or Sanction. I know my Rep. Gold Medal doesn't work anywhere there (missing that 50 MP really hurts).

I think a better strategy for the Royal Jelly BCNM is that one DD goes right, and the other goes left, RDM stands in the middle and tosses out cures until the queen spawns (if, in fact, she does.) Having the DDs with a /NIN really helps. A lot.

Here's some ideas for this fight:

Keep the two melees together, that way you don't have two people taking melee hits at the same time instead of just one, and your damage output isn't really being negatively impacted.

You reeeeeeally don't want that queen to spawn to begin with; every time I have lost this fight (twice) it was because Big Momma was allowed to spawn. While it's fine to have an emergency plan for "if" this happens, if you play it right it should not ever happen (unless you're forced to take a disadvantaged job for this like MNK, in which case they usually need Vampiric Claws or their 2hr in order to deal adequate damage). Your energy is better spent on prevention rather than reaction in this BCNM. Even then, if you know it's going to spawn, you're far better off burning things like 2hrs BEFORE it spawns, rather than after. It's significantly harder to do damage to (and survive) the queen.

Here is a tactic that I've recently started to employ in this fight, so far it works wonders (it typically allows me to save my Convert for AFTER the fight to patch everyone up and be ready for the next fight). Have your melees take an appropriate DDing sub (this might vary by job so use your judgment, but it's probably going to be /WAR). RDM buffs up with Stoneskin and Phalanx (maybe Barblizzard if you feel like it for Bind protection, but honestly it's probably going to land on you anyway), and casts Dia on every slime that isn't the first 2 to be fought (Diaga might work as well), while casting Bind on the last 2 to be fought in the process. You'll usually end up getting Bound yourself by the time you're through with that; take this time to cap your melees' HP and cast a Regen on the better one (the one that's usually ending up taking hate). If you happen to have a WHM in this fight instead of RDM, put up Haste on the melees if MP/time permits. Once you've done this and are unbound, run back toward the burning circle, enough to get out of range from the jellies (remember they can cast at a further distance than you can). Redo your Stoneskin because chances are it will be gone or decayed, plus you'll usually have DoT statuses on you, and start resting; your melees will be taking far less beating now than they normally do because all the unfought jellies will be trying to cast spells on you instead of them (and failing).

What usually happens is that the melees are the first to run into the battlefield, meaning that the slimes end up linking on them, and spam annoyance nukes and Binds on them (Bind in particular really sucks because it tends to leave your melees stuck after a slime dies). This increases the healer's responsibility and makes it harder for the melees to focus offensively, mostly due to them constantly being hit by Bind.

[Aeni]

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Actually, this is my observation based on several fights in the past in this BCNM with two good friends.

WAR/NIN
DRK/WAR
RDM/BLM

I totally disagree that you are strongly at a disadvantage with the Queen spawning. We've allowed the Queen to spawn at least twice and still won the fight. The only issue was beating the time limit, as the fight progresses to a standoff due to the inability to cause as much damage as we would've on the "Princesses."

However, there is a limit or ceiling on the number of Princesses that you can allow to form the Queen before the fight gets impossible to win. I think the rational number here is about 2 Princesses. This has the Queen spawning at roughly 24% HP. It's not that difficult to deal that much damage in the remainder of the time allowed to fight. It gets trickier afterwards if it's allowed to spawn more than 3 (In one fight, we got sloppy and let 3 Princesses at full HP pop the Queen) The only way we won that fight was with 2HR'ing, but even then it was a close call.

I believe the Princesses -per- HP is taken into account when the Queen pops. In order words, having two Princesses form into the Queen, with one of them at 1/2 life contributes to a lesser strength Queen than having two at full HP merge.

The only question I came away from this fight was rumors that by allowing more of the Princess to successfully merge into the Queen will greatly increase your drop rate for the loot, but as with all things, I didn't believe a hair of it and my experiences contradicted this claim.

[Fynlar]

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Every time the queen has spawned in my experiences, it would spam things like Fluid Spread (this HURTS) and -gas, until you eventually all drop. You're only going to have one healer, and he cannot keep up with the damage being dealt forever; the likely thing to happen is that he will eventually pull hate due to trying to recover the damage from Fluid Spread (your melees are now doing crap damage so they can't hold hate that way), healer gets whacked, melees get whacked soon after, battle lost. It's never been a "standoff" by any means in my experiences; it does have the advantage over you and if you allow that thing to live long enough, it will kill you all. I've never heard of anyone losing to the princesses, it's the queen that kills you.

I'm not saying you can't defeat the queen, I'm just not seeing how most parties of 3 people would be able to stand up to that thing all the way until the time limit expired, unless you wasted like 5 minutes at the start of the fight prior to engaging. I've never come close to timing out on this fight. The best way to win is to not let the queen spawn, period. It does put you at a disadvantage if you let it spawn, because it's harder to kill and actually fights back. There's no reason to have to face the queen when it's far easier to just kill her underlings quickly.

If you manage to let a queen spawn with more than one princess left alive, there is something seriously wrong with your melees or your setup. But in all honesty, it should not be hard to beat them all, especially if your melees are not getting bound.

[Jei]

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It works fine for me in ToAU areas, as long as I have signet on. (still have 305 enfeebling in the field). If you use sanction though, the effect goes away. The bracelts work as long as you are in an area that isnt under your nations control or not subject to conquest (which is never under your nations control).

the only time I've ever taken off my Mst Cst braclets is when I am stuning (use Crimson hands) or meleeing (orge hands).

Hmm this has gotten off the topic of erase lol XD

but collecting imperial standing with sanction is a whole reason to level in the new zone ><

[Karinya]

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The key to really kicking Royal Jelly's ass is not to use melees in the first place. Use RNG. The slimes don't alter their movement patterns to chase their attackers, so they won't melee even while the RNG is attacking them; they just cast spells back, which don't do that much.

Furthermore, RNG do so much damage so fast that you'll actually have to hold back if you want the queen to pop (there used to be a rumor that killing before the queen pop meant inferior loot; I doubt this is true though, I haven't seen any evidence for it and no other BCNM behaves in a similar way.)

Worm's Turn can also drop erase, if your BLM is 40 or close to it you can probably get in on that pretty easily. If you don't get erase you might get Utsusemi:Ni, which is worth about the same on most servers IIRC.

Royal Succession can drop both erase *and* jagd gorget (worth upwards of a million on Carby), if you're lucky; but it's a somewhat trickier fight and I don't think a RDM would be that good in it, so you'd have to have something else at 40.

[Aeni]

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If you manage to let a queen spawn with more than one princess left alive, there is something seriously wrong with your melees or your setup. But in all honesty, it should not be hard to beat them all, especially if your melees are not getting bound.

No, there never were any problems. If you got problems, then it's your party setup that couldn't deal with the Queen. As I've said before, the only difference is that the Queen has a bit more defense and, like you said, will actually hit back. However, fluid spread doesn't do that much damage at these levels for a BC fight. Once you fight the NM for the Jelly Ring, you'll realize how easy you had it in this BC.

Karinya,

We found that to be true as well. Actually, ranged attacks really did a number on the princesses and in fact, bloody bolts were really nice for these fights. This was post-RNG nerf, so supposedly any change made that would alter the fight would've been apparent. It wasn't the case at all.

Edit: The one run we did with 3 orbs for this BC, 2x Erase and 1x Utsu:Ni dropped. Could've been just luck, but I always was unlucky in BCs.

[Fynlar]

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No, there never were any problems. If you got problems, then it's your party setup that couldn't deal with the Queen. As I've said before, the only difference is that the Queen has a bit more defense and, like you said, will actually hit back.

OK. Bottom line - the queen is harder to deal with than the princesses. Therefore, letting the queen form puts you at a disadvantage.

It's not rocket science here.

Any party setup that is able to "deal with" the queen ought to be able to kill all 8 princesses easily.

However, fluid spread doesn't do that much damage at these levels for a BC fight. Once you fight the NM for the Jelly Ring, you'll realize how easy you had it in this BC.

Uhh, Fluid Spread does massive damage at pretty much ALL levels. It's a nasty nasty move. It's no different in this BCNM. 200-300 damage AoE at level 40 isn't a joke for one healer to handle, and this can get spammed. If it has too much HP remaining, you simply won't beat it. The time limit isn't even a factor in this fight; the queen is a lot more dangerous than you're making her out to be.

And I have fought Sewer Syrup before, I've even soloed it; he's nothing special (although it does still hurt, it's not exceptional for slimes at its level). He's right up there with things like the Hinge Oils for Windy mission... 7-1 was it?... and the -plasms for Bastok 9-1. It's just a devastating move, period.