*screams!*

[Fynlar]

Re: *screams!*

Video of this fight?

No, sorry. I've heard enough accounts of people doing this (as well as people pulling it off at 67) to make me believe it's possible at 66.

It's still a matter of luck anyway, it's all about whether your Sleeps land. Maat resisted two of my Sleeps when I was level 69, he also resisted two Sleeps when I was 75. He's just fickle.

[Macht]

Re: *screams!*

Ehh, claims of success and proof are two totaly different things. One is superficial while the other is concrete. Though I wouldn't doubt that someone may of pulled it off.

[LoneGamer]

Re: *screams!*

I've seen a video of a RDM beating Maat at 66. I don't remember where, unfortunately. He made it look easy though. He must have had exceptional gear and luck with Sleep.

[Fynlar]

Re: *screams!*

Ehh, claims of success and proof are two totaly different things. One is superficial while the other is concrete. Though I wouldn't doubt that someone may of pulled it off.

I don't know of anyone that has video'd it because I don't think they see it as THAT great of an accomplishment. No matter what level you are, this fight is just annoyingly luck-based. When I go in at 75 and still get two Sleep resists in a row and nearly die, part of you wonders whether your level matters at all.

In any case, this fight is winnable if you can either land your Sleeps, or just outright kill him quickly enough with Chainspell. Both of these could conceivably be done at 66.

[Patchinko]

Re: *screams!*

Ehh, claims of success and proof are two totaly different things. One is superficial while the other is concrete. Though I wouldn't doubt that someone may of pulled it off.

This is how I feel. It sounds like fun, anyway, and I believe it's very possible at level 66.

[Aeni]

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This is how I feel. It sounds like fun, anyway, and I believe it's very possible at level 66.

It's quite possible, but every job class has their own "hidden" goals of beating Maat. How this "hidden" method was discovered by the pioneering players (Either NA importers or JP players way back in the days) was that people with fundamental and sound knowledge of their job class and who knew what they were doing (Like Taskmage said, keeping their confidence up, a level head, etc.)

A THF can walk up to Maat and successfully steal a victory. Yes, I can see where this is entirely luck based ... well, not entirely as I'm sure a gimped THF wouldn't be able to do that. Let alone one that didn't even know there was a steal job command in their menu for the past 60+ levels...

I disagree that this is entirely luck based. It is not. A few circumstances can fall to luck or a battle that went in favor of the victor. Could be Maat missing his Asuran Fist (Blind luck!) or someone surviving it with just 5 hp left to score the final hit (Luck of the fittest!)

But I've not seen this on a consistent basis with every single player I've talk to about their G5 experience.

My own? I fought Maat 5 times. Trust me, I was also cursing "luck." But then, I relaxed. I didn't panic on the 5th fight. I did what Task Mage had said, to be composed and prepared. I took a hard look at my own job class and made the necessary adjustments and mentality for the fight.

In this last fight, Maat was even more ferocious than the previous 4. He started to cast spells like it was going out of style and using Stun like it was on a 10 sec recast (or so it seemed at the time) But I was prepared and in the end won with a convincing victory, using all my job abilities, spells and knowledge of the job class.

So to say it's entirely luck based is pretty ignorant and becoming of anyone, IMHO.

[Fynlar]

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I disagree that this is entirely luck based. It is not. A few circumstances can fall to luck or a battle that went in favor of the victor. Could be Maat missing his Asuran Fist (Blind luck!) or someone surviving it with just 5 hp left to score the final hit (Luck of the fittest!)

Sorry, maybe I should clarify.

IMO, a skill based fight should be won, on a consistent basis, almost every time (I'm talking at least 99%) with the proper skill and tactics employed.

If you're doing everything "right" and still cannot achieve that win rate, you have a luck-based fight on your hands. And that's what the RDM Maat fight is.

There's only so much "skill" you can employ. You can build the foundation for it, now you just have to hope Sleeps stick and Maat doesn't cast the wrong stuff or get Asuran spam on you. If this doesn't fall together, you're screwed; I don't care how much skill you have.

I never did say it was entirely based on luck. It is what it's primarily based on, though.

[BurningPanther]

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Sorry, maybe I should clarify.

IMO, a skill based fight should be won, on a consistent basis, almost every time (I'm talking at least 99%) with the proper skill and tactics employed.

If you're doing everything "right" and still cannot achieve that win rate, you have a luck-based fight on your hands. And that's what the RDM Maat fight is.

There's only so much "skill" you can employ. You can build the foundation for it, now you just have to hope Sleeps stick and Maat doesn't cast the wrong stuff or get Asuran spam on you. If this doesn't fall together, you're screwed; I don't care how much skill you have.

I never did say it was entirely based on luck. It is what it's primarily based on, though.

Ditto. Try walking into the fight with all magic skills capped, l33t gear, the best food money can by, on a Darksday, and then watch every single sleep get resisted and your arse get handed to you. Do this two or three more times, and then wonder how much skill factors in. There's a three page plus thread all about RDM Maat in this forum, and the results are varied with just about every fight.

But I digress. I've watched this thread with some amusement, and there seem to be many who don't regard G5 as a very important hurdle, that it dosen't measure the worth of a Red Mage, that it's okay to have someone do the work for you. While I agree that how long it took you to conquer G5 dosen't portend your worth as a RDM come endgame, I do defend that it should be YOU ALONE taking the time to conquer it. RDM's party role is support, and while this fight dosen't reflect that role, it does reflect another important aspect of our job, the solo aspect. You may never solo again in the game, but will have to this once. Having someone else win the fight for you is just cheap.

[Taskmage]

Re: *screams!*

People seem to think that just because an element of luck is involved, skill is irrelevant. Poker is a luck based game. There will be some hands where you're just given such a crappy draw that there is no way you can pull out a win. That doesn't mean a total newb can sit down to a game and start making random decisions and perform as well as a pro who has prepared himself, knows what to do in bad situations, and stays cool and rational when things get heated.

Yes, Maat might just decide he's going to kill you today and there's nothing you can do about it. That doesn't mean there's no skill in the fight. You can still heavily influence your odds by being a skilled player. If it was a true coin flip, someone who's never played red mage and has no knowledge of our spells and abilities could walk in and have a chance of winning. I challenge anyone to say that is the case.